I've heard these, but a year ago at CES so maybe they weren't final, and it was on the (noisy) show floor so it was just a rough impression. For closed-back wired headphones at $200 I am not sure you could do a lot better, but I don't know that they are they best you could do either. They sounded fine, didn't give an impression of flatness or neutrality, but didn't notice anything blatantly wrong at the time either.