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The jacket looks promising, but would need to know actual weight of down fill to know how it stacks up to other competitors. As mentioned, the Ghost Whisperer has high loft and good fill weight to total weight ratio. The best option would be to take the Ghost Whisperer base weight, and add another 2oz of down for a jacket that could take you to much colder temps without any significant weight add. Considering this one has a hood and pockets and other features, I'm guessing a lot of the weight is jacket, not fill...
800+ RDS certified down 90/10 - every other baffle is overstuffed so when the jacket presses against your body, the baffles cover the seems for increased insulation. In addition, there are heat cuffs around the neck and on the wrists that seals off the jacket from losing insulation through the areas most sensitive to heat loss. This keeps you warm where you need it, yet it is ventilated under the arms with a stretch stretch fabric to allow you to let you breath in areas that overheat quickly.
The face fabric is Pertex Quantum GL which offers the best strength to weight ration of all Pertex fabrics. It's also CRINKLE FREE with a soft hand feel.
This is the only insulated piece you need down to 0* and it is comfortable as a year-round piece in pacific coastal climates from SD to Seattle.
- Your adidas Terrex Rep.
This is all pretty basic stuff. At the end of the day, these jackets live and die by the fill weight. Without a fill weight, the jacket cannot be compared to other options.
That always helps, but after seeing the Adidas in person and now looking at the specs, I'd say it's pretty comparable to the Ghost Whisperer. The Quantum GL is a 10d .75oz fabric...it's good stuff. Mountain Hardwear doesn't give the fabric weight, just the dual 7/10 denier fabric weave, but they're probably very similar in weight, especially considering there is less of it in a jacket compared to a sleeping bag. The Adidas is a longer cut by an inch or two, and it's a little roomier, plus the extra widgets like the chest pocket and hood adjuster (a nice feature really, especially for those who wear glasses compared to the stretch hem on the ghost), and also that great vislon zipper. I didn't like the rear center seam on the Adidas - probably just fine but it looked like a good stress place to me if the jacket is a snug fit. The sleeve length was ok for me but the cuffs were a little loose for my liking. Didn't get to stuff it but it looked like it might be a tiny bit larger stuff size than the ghost unless you wanted to scrunch it tighter. So not getting to actually use it and only going by memory from the ghost, I really think they're probably about the same fill and would end up about the same warmth. The ghost I had was a little over 8oz in large and if the 10.8oz shown here for the Adidas is accurate then that difference seems easily accounted for with the construction. But a half ounce of down fill can sure be noticeable depending on how it's used. Did seem pretty much the same to me, though, and it was surprising for me to see such a nice item from Adidas. The "ghost plus" you mention could just be a Montbell Alpine Plasma (the Alpine Light is a great piece, also, about that same warmth for only a little more weight).
The fill weight for the GW is known, even if not always directly marketed. For those of us in the lightweight outdoor gear community, knowledge of these specifics is critical because it is what determines performance and value. It is not reasonable to expect people to throw down $200+ on a gamble, hoping the fill weight is reasonable. Thankfully there are some quality online gear reviewers who push to determine this information and spread it around for the benefit of others. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask what the fill weight of a jacket is. This is something that the company knows very well as it is determined by their cost structure, and carefully monitored in their manufacturing process. The only reason to hide it is to keep the consumer in the dark. That hurts everyone, enthusiasts, casual consumers, the community, the industry, etc.
There are two main categories it seems: jackets with huge fill weight that weigh a lot, and jackets that weigh next to nothing (sacrificing either durability of fabric or fill weight). What's sorely needed is an option with lightweight construction, but slightly more modest fill weight.
I've looked at the Montbell options, and own the Frost Line Parka as well as a MH Ghost Whisperer. There aren't many good options between the two in terms of fill weight and total weight.
It's getting harder to find published fill amounts these days...sometimes an email will get you that but sometimes they don't know or won't share it. Noticed recently that Patagonia has stopped listing it as well. Everyone is selling fill power and now there's a huge crop of outdoor consumers that have no idea how to compare warmth or choose a down piece. I can't tell you how many times I have tried to educate people that fill amount is the key (along with baffle size, of course). Since it's kind of a complex thing most people don't want to put in any effort to learn and are happier trying to buy by fill power. lol. Crazy. I'm not as much in the biz circle as I was but I'll bet 90% of the reps and salespeople I was in touch with didn't know or understand fill amount, etc. in down garments, and it trickles down from there. So that said, with a little hands on experience and careful comparison you can usually come pretty close if there is enough info to fill in the blanks. My hands on with the Adidas said pretty much the same as the ghost, and I certainly wouldn't call it a 0-degree layer unless that includes hiking with a pack while wearing it.
ugh! It's so frustrating! I feel your pain.
I think a lot of excellent questions have been asked and some fine points made. We have been researching how much down weight is in this Adidas jacket and still haven't found an answer. We'll certainly post here as soon as we find out!
It is surely a really high quality item, with Pertex fabric, high quality down, superb construction, and great design. But you're right that it is not easy to compare it's warmth without knowing the amount of down in the jacket. That is one of the most important specs, even though it doesn't exactly allow apples to apples comparison.
It definitely is a nice piece. I was quite surprised even though I know Adidas is always very good quality and they have some hidden gems suitable for backpacking here and there.
Finally got the word in from Germany:
- 120g of 800 fill power 90/10 RDS Goose Down (vs 79g Mountain Hardware GW fill weight)
- Our RDS down also has a pfc free water-repellant treatment (Dry down by Hyperdry)