Amare Knives Paragon N690 Folding Knife Discussions | Drop

Jul 2, 2019

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Here we go again with a poorly written ad. The script says there is not a pocket clip and the pictures show the knife with a pocket clip. Which is it with or without?

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barsija

Jul 2, 2019

Spokes30It comes with one (the one I got from Knifecenter did anyway). I think what they're saying is you can take it off and use it as a gentleman's carry. Plus, it's $71.95 w/ free shipping at KC.

Jul 2, 2019

barsijaDon't make excuses for Drop's poor ad writing ability, they are saying the following, "absent of a pocket clip, the Paragon makes an excellent gentleman’s knife for a breast pocket or a fifth pocket on a pair of pants." This does not say what you are suggesting, it simply says it does not have a pocket clip which I think is false. This is an ongoing problem with Drop and they never seem to get better at it.

barsija

Jul 2, 2019

Spokes30¯\_(ツ)_/¯ All I I'm saying is that it should indeed come with a pocket clip, regardless of Drop's ad copy. It never hurts to be informed, and cross check info with other sources. Everyone loves to compare their prices to other retailers', they might as well look at the specs while they're at it.

Jul 2, 2019

barsijaThe ad is wrong, plain and simple and no one should have the burden to make sure everything that Drop advertises is correct. A clip is important to me.

Jul 2, 2019

Spokes30Yes, it is ambiguously written by Drop. It implies. If you check the specs it says "Pocket Clip: Tip-Up" @barsija is just trying to clarify for you and has the actual knife so no need to be so hostile to him/her.

Jul 2, 2019

bookworm13It is not ambiguous whatsoever. It very clearly says it does not come with the pocket clip which is wrong. Stop defending Drop in their poor product descriptions. I think the two of you work for Drop because you are defending their lie. The issue here is not what it actually comes with, it is Drops continual inability to get product descriptions right. They will only ever get better when this is brought to their attention over and over if need be.

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Jul 2, 2019

Spokes30Another "if you disagree with me, you must be a shill" rebuttal? Go ahead and check out my other comments and see if that holds up. Good luck with getting Drop to correct their descriptions. I, and others have pointed out clearly opposite specs and they continue to ignore us over multiple drops. As long as people continue to buy their stuff, they don't seem to care. Vote with your dollars, just stop buying here.

Jul 2, 2019

bookworm13Why are you arguing with me something that is so blatantly wrong. There is nothing to say except that Drop does a poor job in writing their ads, why do you defend such poor advertising, are you an owner of Drop? You appear to be arguing when there is nothing to argue. If this item has a clip then that is what they should say in their ad and not the complete opposite. I am sure your effort of arguing with me could be better spent in other ways. I have no idea what a shill rebuttal is, I only know what is the truth, the truth is Drop cannot get their ads right and it is making it a worse place to do business as a result. I only represent myself, a consumer with an interest in knives, I am not a shill for some other competing organization.

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Jul 2, 2019

Spokes30Like I said, vote with your money.

Jul 2, 2019

bookworm13I have the right as a customer of this site to call out Drops frequent mistakes. Voting with my money is only one vote. Using the pen is far more powerful to create change because it makes others aware too. You should tell all to stay away until Drop can get it right. On their proprietary products they do not make such mistakes so I am sure different people are writing those ads. There should be a team that writes all ads and there should be no difference from ad to ad be and there is in a large way.

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Jul 2, 2019

Spokes30Also, because I'm not sure of you're familiarity with pocket knives, many pocket clips can be removed. You would then have (at least) two configurations. One with- and one without a pocket clip, or absent... English is a funny language sometimes.

Jul 2, 2019

bookworm13Irrelevant, I raised this issue not you. The subject is Drop's inability to get the facts straight in their ads. English is not funny, it is very accurate, you are the funny one who I do think is a shill for Drop because you keep trying to redirect this problem away from Drop and not being very capable of reading the English language. I am very familiar with knives, I have hundreds of them and only an idiot does not know that a clip can be removed, whatever that has to do with this topic. Why don't you stay on topic and address Drops's inability to get ads right or start you own conversation and don't interrupt mine with your nonsense of irrelevancy. You see the English language is very to the point.

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Jul 2, 2019

Spokes30Actually I am staying on topic. Your statement that the ad copy is incorrect is entirely based on this sentence: "Absent of a pocket clip, the Paragon makes an excellent gentleman’s knife for a breast pocket or a fifth pocket on a pair of pants." In my mind, that means you can take the clip off and then it becomes a gentleman's knife. You seem very upset - it's not good for your health to get so worked up about something that matters so little. As you said, you have many other knives to enjoy.

Jul 2, 2019

bookworm13None of your business. Say something fruitful and relevant to this problem. Yes it upsets me when a person supports false advertising and such lame effort in writing ads.

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Jul 2, 2019

Spokes30Here, I thought you'd enjoy some other examples of me (unsuccessfully) shilling for Drop: https://drop.com/buy/bestech-bg13-paladin-liner-lock-knife/talk/2100833
https://drop.com/buy/tops-knives-micro-hawk-compact-axe/talk/2003566
https://drop.com/buy/esee-cl1-fixed-blade-knife/talk/2230623 I actually agree with you that their ad writing is pretty lame. Hope you can have a good day. 🙂

Jul 2, 2019

bookworm13Why do you make excuses for their poor marketing, just to aggravate.

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Jul 2, 2019

Spokes30Truthfully the reason I first replied is because your reply to a fellow Dropper (Droper?) was so ungracious. He/she was just trying to clarify the product and got a hostile reply for their effort. It seems that you and at least one other Dropper think this knife comes without a clip or it is not clear. At least three Droppers think that what they are saying is that the clip can be removed (I've seen a knife where the screw to hold the clip on is also needed to keep the scales together on the distal end, so the clip was not removable without modification). To me, that's the definition of ambiguity. It's not the same as clearly wrong, like other drops where they list both a liner lock and frame lock for the same knife.

Jul 3, 2019

bookworm13It says it in black and white it does not have a clip, there is no confusion if you can read English what the ad says. What is the metal in the handle, it does not say that either? You can buy it a lot cheaper at White Mountain Knives.

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Jul 3, 2019

Spokes30As I quoted earlier, if you click on the Details tab and look under SPECS:

Pocket Clip: Tip-Up

Also Photo 4/6 at the top or 5/7 at the bottom (they both link to the same photo) shows the clip.

Jul 3, 2019

bookworm13Irrelevant. Tell Drop to go to that site before they write their ad. This is about Drop, not about the product which is only an example of their incapability, there are many more examples in many more ads.

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Jul 3, 2019

Spokes30Is everything that doesn't support your viewpoint irrelevant? Not everyone thinks as you do, and that's ok.

Jul 3, 2019

bookworm13My observation is totally objective, the ad is wrong. Therefore, there is no opinion about absolute fact. You are in a fantasy land with nothing to do but argue absolute fact. You are trying to become a victim over something that I have a right to state. Let us say the sky is always orange which is an absolute lie because it isn’t. The knife is not without a clip so stating that is just as false as arguing that the sky is always orange. I am done answering your foolish comments because you are making sport of it and it is not something that accomplishes anything except to entertain you, the shill who works for Drop.

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Jul 3, 2019

Spokes30You are really overreacting. By this point, you've completely embarrassed yourself. the script said that without the pocket clip it was a perfect gentleman's knife, it did not say that it does not come with a clip. Get a grip.

Jul 3, 2019

MotorradIt says i-t i-s a-b-s-e-n-t o-f a c-l-i-p which would make it useful as a gentleman’s knife. You are the one who should be embarrassed, you cannot r-e-a-d.

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Jul 3, 2019

Spokes30Dear Unhinged Dingbat, it says:" Absent of a pocket clip, the Paragon makes an excellent gentleman’s knife for a breast pocket or a fifth pocket on a pair of pants." Reading down further into the specs...

Pocket Clip: Tip-Up

I think we know who has the reading handicap. Please take your abundant wrongness more gracefully.

Jul 3, 2019

MotorradYou are showing your true colors as an idiot by finally coming unhinged which I have been waiting for. Drop's people obviously cut and paste and can't even pay attention to their own cutting and put into their descriptions what they have just seen from the data they got from the manufacturer. Do not interfere in my emails anymore, you are way too dumb to get it. Go pick on someone dumber than yourself, and defend the mediocrity of Drop with another customer who brings this truth out.

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Jul 3, 2019

Spokes30hahaha. the only thing I'm defending is the correct use of the English language, which you clearly have yet to fully grasp. There was no problem with any cut-and-paste here. Something tells me that you are about to go Full-Retard...

Broody

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Jul 3, 2019

Spokes30this is very clear. if one assumes that this does have a pocket clip, which one rightly should since the pictures show it with a clip and it is drilled for a clip and specs say it has a clip, stating "Absent of a pocket clip, the Paragon makes an excellent gentleman’s knife for a breast pocket or a fifth pocket on a pair of pants", makes perfect logical sense. Of course, this all assumes that one is capable of logic, which you do not appear to be. Please just crawl away now and go back to terrorizing Groton.

Jul 3, 2019

BroodyYou are terrorizing this comment section. It is incorrect since anyone who has a "brain" knows that any clip is removable so that does not have to be stated in the ad. Apparently you are not in that "brain" category and must be told that a clip is removable. You also are lacking in the ability to understand the issue at hand which is the poor ad writing of Drop. Many customers agree with me that it has deteriorated. Therefore if you do not agree then you either work for Drop or you are in that lack of "brain" category and your only purpose for inputing to these comments is to degrade people.

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Jul 3, 2019

bookworm13"Absent of 100% agreement in a conversation, Spokes makes an excellent Rage Demon for this summer's blockbuster horror flick" Does that mean she's always a Rage Demon and the lack of agreement was an unrelated side note? Or is she only a Rage Demon when people don't agree with her? I can't tell, English is hard 🤣🤣

Broody

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Jul 3, 2019

Spokes30Nope. The writing is fine; it's just you, Gretchen. Yep, anyone with a brain knows that the clip is removable. Anyone with a brain and a basic command of the English language can navigate the implication that by removing the clip this would make a fine 'gentleman's knife'. Pretty basic comprehension, really. Gretchen, you are documented bad neighbor, blight on your community, general parasite on society and loony. Hey! why don't you sue Drop? that's something you actually know how to do...though you never do succeed, do you? Please continue to entertain as we keep throwing peanuts at you in your cage. But if you throw your poop again, we'll have to break out the hose.

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Broody

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Jul 3, 2019

KavikGoogle "Gretchen Chipperini". Certified Rage Demon.

Jul 3, 2019

BroodyLol been there, done that

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Jul 3, 2019

KavikI tend to assume everyone else is open-minded and reasonable and then let them prove or disprove that theory. Pretty clear that she has windmills to tilt at, facts be damned (or in this case, "irrelevant"). Do I get to use that badge of honor signature too? She hasn't called me a nitwit yet.

Jul 3, 2019

bookworm13Lol keep working at it but, you'll get your badge eventually (👍 because I forgot all about that hahaha)

barsija

Jul 3, 2019

bookworm13Wow, somehow I had never gotten called a shill for disagreeing with someone until now. I've also never seen anyone get *so* worked up over a pocket clip.

Jul 4, 2019

Spokes30yep, as expected, you went FULL Retard.

Jul 4, 2019

MotorradI was called the shill from the getgo. It is incredible how dumb and low people have become and cannot read the English language. When Drop keeps screwing up in their ads I will bring it to the buyer's attention and you idiots can keep defending the false advertising and immaturely bullying those who do. It is amazing and foolish that there is fierce anger over a knife, I can't imagine the response over something that is really important.

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Jul 4, 2019

Spokes30"I was called the shill from the getgo."- you were not; you did the calling. "It is incredible how dumb and low people have become and cannot read the English language."- that would be you. "immaturely bullying"- also your thing, along with frivolous lawsuits, defrauding health care, phony LLCs, and creating a public nuisance. You're a peach! "It is amazing and foolish that there is fierce anger over a knife, I can't imagine the response over something that is really important."- I'm sorry that you are just too dense to appreciate the perfect irony and utter cluelessness of that statement. Brilliant! Your friends at Mystic Fire say ...GFY, loony.

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Jul 4, 2019

MotorradIncredible, not even on medicare. It is time to report your bullying and false accusations all because I commented on the wrongly written advertisement of a knife.

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Jul 4, 2019

Spokes30You started calling people "shill" just because you do not know how to read. Your public track record proves you to be just as unstable, illogical and unreasonable as you are behaving.

Jul 4, 2019

MotorradLet us see what will happen with your viscous and false nonsense that has nothing to do with knives.

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Jul 4, 2019

Spokes30Ok,loony!

Jul 4, 2019

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Hearst

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Jul 4, 2019

Spokes30none of this was about knives. It was about a crazy lady(you) who can not read.

Jul 4, 2019

Spokes30It makes me question that you know what a shill is if you think that I called you a shill. You concluded that I must work for Drop because I defend them while pretending to be a regular customer. You called me a shill. You can't be a shill because you are attacking their advertising. I don't anyone reasonable would consider any of my comments to be angry. Many of your posts (not just in this thread) seem very angry. In fact I quote from one of your posts "Yes it upsets me when a person supports false advertising and such lame effort in writing ads." If you were to look up many of @Kavik's posts, you will see him calling out Drop for leaving out critical knife information, but he does it in a way that is not angry at all. It's a bit strange to me. You seem to have bought way more stuff here at Drop than I have. But you are also very angry at Drop. Yes, they seem to be going downhill (where's the mass savings from mass purchases? Hence the name change). Maybe you're invested in them in a psychological sense because you've spent so much time and money here? In any case, neither you or I need to claim any ownership over Drop's behavior. They are a business and we are just customers and I predict they won't stay in business for much longer if they continue their current trend. Sad, but we don't really have a say in it if they don't listen to us.

Jul 4, 2019

bookworm13As said by you, "if you disagree with me, you must be a shill rebuttal" You just admitted that I have bought a lot from them thus I cannot be a "shill rebuttal" which means that I am an unreal customer. Businesses need feedback and are capable of change unlike what you think. I made a living out of turning companies around. I do not comment often, only when the ad is so off the mark. I agree with your last comment, especially if they let the hoodlums that have viscously attacked me in this discussion with unrelated lies continue. I and others like me are diminishing our interest for all of these reasons, price, poorly written advertising and allowing the site to become a platform for unrelated extremism. Ebay would never let that kind of language continue.

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