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There are so many alternatives with equal specs and footprint at half the price, not to mention much more powerful ultralights at the same price.
I used to be this guy for a long time.. until I was like screw it, I still have my big gaming /engineering PC, I’ll try a MacBook for my next laptop. It’s not even comparable to having a windows laptop. It’s not about having the best specs or performance, you don’t use it for that... (when I had a gaming laptop I games... once? In public)... it’s for productivity work, and for that it works 100% of the time without fail, and that’s what you need in a laptop. Its expensive but it just works and macOS is simple. Beyond that many developers use MacBooks, seeeing as macOS is based on Unix just like Linux, far less of a headache in the end, when error checking your code. Anyway I understand who you are, I used to be you. You’ll understand one day.
Then obviously you misunderstand; I have 3 MacBook pros and 2 MacBook airs, not to mention a gigabyte aero 14 (cost me $1k, 16gb ram, 256 ssd, NVIDIA 1060, slim and light), a Dell Inspiron 7577 (also $1k with better specs than the gigabyte), and an ASUS zephyrus. While Mac OS fluidity (albeit closed ecosystem) has its place, buying a previous generation MacBook Air at the end of its cycle is still not a good proposition in today’s market, unless Mac application compatibility is a “life or death” situation (and even then, this is not a good model for those few apps that people professionally need a Mac in order to use). If one needs a Mac, best to go refurbished and buy an older MacBook Pro.
regardless of OP’s point, I agree with you 100%. Before I got my MacBook pro I was thinking how these are extremely overpriced things with relatively low specs now I understand.
Can I have your aero when you are finished with it? Thats my dream laptop. :D
"it’s for productivity work, and for that it works 100% of the time without fail, (...) and macOS is simple."
Speaking from over 8 years of OSX experience and also using Windows for work, OSX/macOS is anything but simple for productivity work. Unless you prefer to learn hundreds of keyboard shortcuts for actions that can be performed with a couple of simple clicks and drag/drops under Windows. Or Linux using graphical interface. The only thing that Windows laptops can't touch is the touchpad. And the 16:10 aspect ratio but this MBA is 16:9 so it doesn't apply here.
I think budget is really what is the issue between mac vs pc. It all comes to how much $1k is worth to you. I had to exceed my budget of $500 to buy a laptop that was going to serve me for a long time. My $725 bought me enough power I can handle a lot of complex multitasking. (data analyst) I wish I could buy a MB pro, but thats just too much money for people.
If you can afford it, its worth it. But if you can't, pc gives you a great bang for buck.
When you feel like its old or not working well enough to sell, please keep this college student in mind :)
Interesting, I had the exact opposite effect. When I got out of school and got a permanent job I was offered either a Mac or a ThinkPad. I went with the Mac because why not I could try it and it wasn't my money. There was no simplicity in it past what the average person does, dev work on it is hell. I gave it a solid 2 months before getting the ThinkPad and installing Linux on it. Still the best thing you can get for dev work or normal work.
I will give Mac credit for its eco system while incredibly closed off its the best you can get. But that's about all it has going for it.
Yeah, and although they all copy Apples look and form factor, the major flaw they all share in common is: windoze inside!
The fact that you turned your laptop into a Linux machine indicates you were looking for a pallet to spread your own paint on. You were looking for an OS that you preferred, not a computer you liked (many would have worked)--totally different for Mac users :- )
Same. I have a gaming PC with a 1080ti, you don't want that in a laptop.
MacOS isn't open source like Linux, so it's politically incorrect, but all the open software I like to use can (and usually is) ported to run on the darwin kernel. Macbooks are really nice to use, they don't have the same maintenance burden of linux. The only thing I'd say about this drop, is that 4G ram is really the minimum. I don't consider it enough. You need 8G for usability now and some future proofing.
Not at all, I want a computer that has non locked down hardware, as well as being durable. Most laptops have open enough hardware but they will break easily. ThinkPad has open enough hardware and is built like a brick shithouse. Couple that with the fact that I want a good track point means ThinkPad is the only computer for me. Mac is both locked down and will break easily. More to the point most Mac users want a status symbol they can show off they couldn't care less about anything else.
The other Mac useres are a mix of developers who want a Unix system and don't bother with Linux, dispute how it being difficult to work with is a myth these days, or people who want the eco system.
We don't think of our computers as status symbols--no reasons to bring up insecurity issues or your awkward teenage years here (we all had 'em). Don't know what you're referring to when you suggest Macs break? Been using them since the 80's--have two more at home, nothing broken about them--they just work! PS: I've upgraded all of mine (ram and drives). Did I mention no driver issues to worry about either? Sorry, don't mean to rub it in ;- )
Oh dear I seem to have struck a nerve, you a chucking logical fallacies at me. I've never thought of my computer as something that defines me so no insecurities there! It was my music snobbery that makes me cringe. Yes Mac's from the 80's are really excellent machines, thanks Wozniak! I'm referring to the aluminum body's of Macbooks. I've never had driver issues either so no need to be sorry, thanks Unix based system! I've broken my rule about talking to fanboys on the internet. :-(
You broke your other rule about revealing your latent Mac-envy issues. Thank you for your bravery; I'm sure you're an inspiration to the many who suffer with you!
ah...the old 'fanboy' chestnut. yawn. Was almost in agreement with you until you admitted to being a douche.
Shall I use another word to describe undying loyalty to a brand? Also me being a dick in response to him being a dick doesn't invalidate my argument.
Probably. People like what they like and what works best for them. You're just trolling.
I used to looooove my old thinkpad too. and the dell and the vaio... and the macs. whatever.
I will say though that my trusty mid2012 13" i7 MBP that flawlessly runs macos, win7 and ubuntu 17 simultaneously is my favorite machine ever...thus far. bombproof. and of course you know...status. phht.
My ThinkPad does the exact same thing for a fraction of the price. Hey if you are one of the few that doesn't buy the glowing apple logo for status and genuinely like it good on ya.
You see this is why I don't like interacting with over-enthusiastic Mac brand loyalists (is that better? Seems a bit too wordy imo), they always end up whipping something like the age old internet straw man of calling someone a troll when they don't agree with them/can't rebut them.
hah. your 'undying loyalty' to your chosen brand has been noted. you may or may not be a troll, but you are trolling. oh I can 'rebut' you just fine, thanks.
I do find it telling that someone who is spraying observed 'logical fallacies' ends his pithy rant with one. bravo.
The guys that need to feel superior by hating macs NEED to see Mac users as "fanbois" and status seekers to justify their shallow animus. Then the need to rattle on about "locked down" blah blah and they love that "fraction of the cost" myth.
How are you NOT trolling if you 1, really don't like Macs. 2. clearly have a low opinion of Mac users/inflated opinion of yourself 3. dropping the fanboy nonsense 4. the status symbol nonsense...we're not all hanging out in coffee shops. It really does say more about YOU than the Mac users you are projecting on. 5. with all this and yet, you're just hanging on a Mac comment thread? Like the guy said: you might not be a troll, but that does smell like trolling.
yup. the macs are pricy no doubt, but the used mid2012 I got in 2014 is built like a tank. I have abused it way more than any machine I can remember. Superb ROI. and now with ssd drives in it, I can abuse it just that much more. ha. I had considered something like a ThinkPad when I was in the market, but I did want the native MacOs and I didn't wanna do the Hackintosh thing again...
You guys are all talking about "durability" and it's making me crack up, You want durability, huh? I'm on a Getac V110 lmao this thing is a tank. Better then the Toughbooks too. Toughbooks equivalent of a V110 is the CF-19 (convertable 2-in-1). If you want me to be honest, I can't stand the detachables. Other then a select few (with very very high prices) your just buying a tablet with a keyboard. The only real kind of 2-in-1 I could handle and bother to use are old-fashioned swivel hinged laptops. They're way, way, heavier (especially in my case) but at least you'll get upgradable storage/ram/removable batteries, and so on. If your lucky then you even get a usable trackpad.
But yeah I agree with you. The 2012-2015s are genuinely surprisingly durable for something that feels like a huge iPad, which as we all know, don't have a durable molecule in their aluminium body. Plus, You can always get one of those rugged cases for the newer Retinas and the 2016-2017s. Id say the 2016-2017 definitely needs it.
Finally an intelligent reply that relates to real everyday use. These things will drive you bananas. Productivity? LOL
Came here for the trolling. I have not been disappointed.
" macOS is based on Unix just like Linux "
So why don't you just use a Linux distro on your Laptop or install a hackintosh System?
Because people like MacOS for the UI and ecosystem, People dont care for the kernel and core code because even if people knew what it is they dont "experience" it
It‘s a nightmare not having native compatibility with office apps, autocad, hell even anti virus apps that I need to have installed to connect to WiFi in my building. Its possible but day to day that headache is a nightmare dealing with wine and everything breaking down with new updates and releases...
People drive cars for years with only a cursory understanding of how fuel injection works. Why do we need to be "mechanics" to use a computer? Answer: we don't, we let Apple worry about what's under the hood. If it didn't work, we wouldn't buy them, would we?
That's crazy talk--drop down menus are a standard interface feature in all Mac apps. Most menu commands have a keyboard equivalent, but you sure as hell don't need to learn them all to be productive. Commands you use often, Save, Print, etc.. will eventually become second nature, others you don't use as often won't.
Interesting how many anti-Apple flies are swarming around a drop that clearly says Apple in the heading. My advice--buzz off!