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Dragonzeanse
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Jul 2, 2014
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Looks about as solidly-crafted as SteelSeries. Not bad.
I have some concerns about it being overly "glidy" though and I'm someone who uses the 4HD mousepad - which has a plastic surface.
Jul 2, 2014
volkhv
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Jul 2, 2014
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Artisan mousepads easily surpass the quality of SteelSeries cloth pads.
Jul 2, 2014
GL1TCH3D
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Jul 2, 2014
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Glidy isn't for everyone. I prefer a lighter mouse with a glidy pad to be more based off my own coordination while a lot of my friends prefer super high friction pads with heavier mice to help them smooth out the action
Jul 2, 2014
ChaoticKinesis
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Jul 3, 2014
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I have the Shidenkai xsoft but switched to the 9HD and like it so much better. The glide is very similar and the surface texture is not that different. However, the Shidenkai is much softer due to the foam.
The reasons I prefer the 9HD are: 1. The Shidenkai has a tendency to trap dirt, which is particularly visible on my white one. 2. The underside has the worst grip I've encountered in a gaming mousepad, causing it to slide around on my desk, which never happens with any other mousepad. 3. The 9HD tracks better with certain mice, but that probably has more to do with the white color of my Shidenkai. This is particularly relevant for mice with a low LOD, which work better with dark mousepads.
Jul 3, 2014
Razor
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Jul 3, 2014
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I think you should tell us which mouse you do use :)
By the way, i owned 9HD and spent hard time with a Sensei. The mousepad was good, the only problem was the durability.
The main difference beteween this Shidenkai and 9HD is the coating: glass like for the shidenkai, plastic like for the 9HD. The Shidenkai should last longer than 9HD.
PS: a white mousepad is not the best choice for a mouse. A lot of sensors have problems with that color =D
EDIT: The Shidenkai MID is less softer than the XSOFT, the 9HD probably track better because of the coating material and your mouse sensor!
Jul 3, 2014
ChaoticKinesis
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Jul 3, 2014
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Mice I own include the Roccat Savu, SS Sensei, Razer DeathAdder, and CM Xornet. Using my preferred firmware , the Xornet did not track at all on the Shidenkai (likely due to a combination of color and surface texture, since it did track on other white surfaces such as paper) and the Sensei tracking was noticeably worse. I did not notice a significant difference with the DeathAdder and Savu, which are both optical mice.
Since my main mouse is the Savu, tracking was not really among my reasons for preferring the 9HD. My preference is influenced more by my points 1 and 2 from above. I have been using the 9HD for a year with no durability issues, while the Shidenkai became unpleasantly dirty after about 6 months of use even though I cleaned it regularly. More importantly, it never stayed still on my desk, which has a matte finish. On the other hand, other mousepads I own do not slide around at all. Aside from the 9HD, these include QCK and Razer Goliathus. As a result, the Artisan is my least favorite mousepad of the four I named.
Jul 3, 2014
Razor
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Jul 3, 2014
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Strange about Sensei having trouble with the Shidenkai, i will test it whit this orange version.
Can i ask you dpi and interpolation frequence used with the Sensei?
It's like the white Shidenkai and Shinden is a "nevertracking" mousepad.
Btw, i owned a 9HD. I like the feeling with the Sensei, but it lasted 3 months, maybe 'cause of the way i play. It's like i pay 10 euros months for a mousepad, no way :D .
Now i am stuck with a QCK+ : it's an ok mousepad, but too way slow and not so good with the Sensei. It causes sensor jittering and flickering. More flickering than jittering.
One thing i can share is that white mousepad usually give more liftoff to the mouse sensor, this could create problems.
From a review:
"The shiden-kai seem to greatly lower the lift off distance, so much so that the zowie mico have trouble tracking at even 1cd! And with the cm storm spawn you would want v30 firmware to have the best tracking on this thing. The reducing in lift on distance is great news for people using mice with the s3688(Deathadder 3g and others)/s3888(Deathadder 3.5g and others/avago 3060(Mionix 3200 and others) sensors
I don't know if its the color used or the surface that reduce the lift off distance so much but I doubt the color alone would have such a great effect as the mousepad isn't THAT light colored"
Jul 3, 2014
Overt
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Jul 3, 2014
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I used an Artisan Hayate for a good 6 months and that thing never moved. This was on a fake wood, laminate coated particle board desk. When I took it away with me for holiday and came back it was just sliding everywhere. I figured it was the dust on the desk and dust stuck to the bottom of the mouse pad. I wiped that part of the desk down using a micro fiber cloth with a bit of isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) and wiped the bottom of the mouse pad down with it too. I positioned it where I wanted it and pushed the pad into the desk with firm pressure, gently stretching one corner at a time, just a little, applying a little pressure and letting it shrink back. It became a barnacle again until dust managed to work it's way back under there from me moving it around from time to time. They do inevitably get dirty though, I've washed pads before in the sink and left them out to dry for a few days, and I've had decent results.
I'm using a Razer Manticore now, a solid sheet of anodized, sand blasted aluminum with grippy rubber underneath. When it gets dirty I can just wipe it down with isopropyl alcohol (so good for getting rid of skin oils etc.) and it's as clean as when it came out of the box. It's probably not as fast as the 9HD or Shidenkai but just for the ease of cleaning, and the fact that I can throw it in the sink if I want, I love it, I'd never go back to a plastic or cloth and foam pad.
So if you get another Artisan pad and it slides, try the alcohol cleaning trick :)
Jul 3, 2014
Razor
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Jul 3, 2014
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Eheheh, the Razer Manticor just ate my mouse feet in 10 days, but it was a really good mousepad. The problem is that i prefer texturized mousepad, i feel more control and better tracking :)
BTW, try with a piece of frost etched glass. You can take a 30x30 cm piece for less than 5 euros ;)
EDIT: there are a lot of adhesive anodized aluminum sheets that works good with laser mouses, but you need a lot of PTFE to feed them ;)
Jul 3, 2014
lyrill
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Jul 3, 2014
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you need ptfe/teflon tapes. you can get them cheap everywhere, they are sold to people working in other business. in bulk. i'd say 10 meters of 1mm thick tape 1cm-2cm wide cost you a couple bucks average.
Even tho you don't have to deal with cloth pad shenanigans, using teflon taped mouse with a metal pad has its downside. It is a fucking pain to constantly cut in new ones and and strip off old ones cus they do wear out even faster than mouse feets, cus like, duh, they are thinner. but that's the point, they are the shoes for your mouse feets to run smoother and faster((ok maybe not, depends on if you buy into the barefoot running hype)) and shoes are meant to last shorter than your feet
Jul 3, 2014
Razor
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Jul 4, 2014
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I usually buy 200x200x0.6/1 mm ptfe sheets for 6-7 €.
There are a lot of PTFE type and a lot of sheets/tapes are just not suitable to be mouse "shoes". The real PTFE/Teflon last longer than cheap PTFE you find in inexpensive tapes.
Here in Italy we have a lot of companies that produce high grade PTFE. I bought a 300x300x1mm sheet ( for 20 €, if i remember well ): the "shoes" last longer and the glide was amazing, but the price is high and sheet comes without glue.
So, i bought 3x Tiger mousefeet for my Steelseries Sensei. It last long as the expensive PTFE sheet, it cost less and it's precut =D
You should try it ;)
PS: the problem with teflon over the metal pad is that metal is somewhat harder than plastic like material, it will eat your PTFE =D
With a cloth pad, it will last forever =D
Jul 4, 2014
ballzley
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Jul 5, 2014
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Thanks for sharing. And how can one acquire this "3x Tiger mousefeet"?
Jul 5, 2014
Razor
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Jul 6, 2014
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I don't know if i can link you the product, but you can search for " Takasta " on Youtube ;)
The one who produces this mousefeet are the OEM for Razer ( they use an high grade PTFE ) without the Razer logo and price =D
Let me know if you manage to find the product!
Jul 6, 2014
lyrill
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Jul 7, 2014
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ya aftermarket mousefeets are also nice but i have never attempted to pocket- knife off dem used up stock feets. Zero exp dealing with leftover glue or whatever.
Jul 7, 2014
lyrill
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Jul 7, 2014
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ya with cloth there's no need for tape .
about your theory of hard eating soft---I have a teflon pad tho-c4ngen by cshyde. they also make teflon skates and stuff. that thing eats feets and tape as well, but meanwhile being teflon, itself gets eaten by the feet too.
cloth pads usually go to shit after a year's heavy use. Not sure about metal. But honestly..if you are really into these kind of stuff you have more than enough laying around..
Jul 7, 2014
Razor
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Jul 8, 2014
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The Shidenkai should be the best one :D
Metal pads are good, but no stopping power on it =D
Jul 8, 2014
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