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Syndicate
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Mar 27, 2014
I cancelled this for the O2+ODAC.
I don't meant to poop on people buying this, but you need to consider that this is a tube DAC, not a tube amp. The tube is only supplied with 12V. The amp is not even using it. The 6922 EH tube it comes with requires 90V for class A, but can support up to 220V. Basically, that means that the tube on the top is a bit of a gimmick to sell the product because it will, at best, slightly color your sound, perhaps even just so slightly that the difference is negligible. You could get a tube with an extremely loud soundstage and EQ the rest of the way and it might be worth it.
You have to think... do you want to listen to your music with good, but maybe barely noticeable distortion (Aune T1) or do you want to hear music how it was meant to sound? The O2+ODAC is an endgame amp/dac- it's completely neutral you won't need anything else unless you start getting into headphones over $1500.
If you still want to get this, that's fine, but I hope people understand that this isn't really a tube amp and that it shouldn't be bought for that. The O2+ODAC is probably something you will want to upgrade to in the future.
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AndrewNow
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Mar 27, 2014
SyndicateYou're from Reddit, aren't you? ;)
Syndicate
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Mar 27, 2014
AndrewNowYep :P
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Mar 28, 2014
SyndicateWhy would the price of headphones dictate what amp you buy? It's a little misleading. It has to do more with the sensitivity, impedance, and what kind of driver technology of the headphones and less of how much they cost. Will the O2 drive HE4/6, LCD2? All sub $1500
Syndicate
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Mar 28, 2014
DeleteYes, from what I've read, it will drive the LCD2 just fine.
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Mar 28, 2014
Syndicate
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Mar 28, 2014
DeleteTake a look here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/644948/he-500-o2-odac-or-he-400-lyr-odac
The conclusion is that it's more than enough to power them. Oh well.. I still think the O2+ODAC is way better bang for your buck.
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Mar 28, 2014
SyndicateI'm not much for head-Fi but I appreciate the link. Too many fanboys and skewed reviews.im speaking from my own personal experience not someone else's. I also think the O2 is a great setup. I used the t1 as a DAC for my O2 for a long time until Massdrop dropped the ODac. I just think you are misleading by saying that you need $1500 headphones for something more than the O2. The O2 is an amazing piece, definitely not "end game". It will work for most headphones but price has nothing to do with it.
You can ask on reddit, head-Fi, Changstar, you'll get different answers everywhere. I think it's slightly amusing that you give purchase advice for a product that you have zero experience with.
Syndicate
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Mar 28, 2014
Deletehttp://nwavguy.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/o2-summary.html?showComment=1333359849536#c1463787149750803315
Also thought you might want to just take a look at that. NwAvGuy himself thinks the O2 is more than powerful enough for the LCD-2.
theeattre
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Mar 28, 2014
Syndicateyou try to dissuade people from purchasing something because it clearly states it's a "tube dac" not a "tube dac and tube amp". i could be wrong here, but you seem to be the only one impressed by this.
you recommend the schiit magni/modi, something that head-fi (amongst others) reviewed as being an aesthetic decision more than sound (schiit vs. aune) with an obvious tube rolling advantage for those who are so inclined.
then you recommend an amp/dac combo you've yet to personally use as "end game" based solely on reviews.
all of your suggestions are $70 + more than this drop. how is that good advice? and correct me if i'm wrong, but, have you used any of this gear to warrant claims of better/worse?
i'm confused...
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Mar 28, 2014
Syndicate
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Mar 28, 2014
theeattreLol... I just want people to realize that the tube is more of a gimmick to sell the product. I almost bought an Aune T1 until I did the research about the voltage supplied to the tube, which is practically next to nothing (12V... the supplied tube requires 90V for Class A). Any tubes you buy won't change the sound of your headphones- it will have a minuscule effect. So, basically, this so called "advantage" isn't much of an advantage at all. It's basically a DAC/Amp with an LED on the top that looks cool.
At the very least, I hope to persuade some other Canadians who will be paying $15 for shipping and probably get hit with customs, bringing the total to $160-200, to save their money and get a superior product that will probably last them a lot longer.
Syndicate
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Mar 28, 2014
DeleteObviously I know NwAvGuy designed the O2/ODAC. What part of what I said made you think otherwise?
Anyway, you're just mad that you spent money on an mediocre, overpriced DAC/AMP that comes with a LED. I don't see why else you'd be so angry. :D
At the end of the day, people can buy what they want. You and I both know the reason this is selling is because of the tube on top- if it weren't there, I bet most people wouldn't give it a second look. But the tube doesn't do anything. It's a marketing device. Look at the data sheet for the supplied 6922 EH tube for yourself:
http://www.tubebooks.org/tubedata/HB-3/Receiving-Type_Industrial_Tubes/6922.PDF
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Mar 28, 2014
Syndicate
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Mar 28, 2014
DeleteThe Lyr is a $450 tube amp. Of course it's going to sound different, because you're adding (pleasurable) distortion. The O2 is completely neutral. You like the sound the tube amp provides more, but that doesn't mean that your He-500s aren't being properly powered. As for the LCD-2s, maybe they aren't reaching their absolute, full potential with the O2+ODAC, but I'll take NwAvGuy's word over yours any day.
Your anecdotal evidence about the tubes in the T1 changing sound isn't very useful.The stats, however, don't lie, and when you look at them it's so easy to see that the Aune T1 is a dead-end product. It's a hybrid device with cheap components that happens to have a tube stuck into the DAC pathway to "alter the sound", and for you to suggest otherwise is just dishonest.
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Mar 28, 2014
Syndicate
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Mar 28, 2014
DeleteYeah, you're so right. You are 2 pro for me. With all your expensive gear, you must know everything!!!11
Luke_Rivera
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Mar 28, 2014
DeleteSchiit fanboy much?
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Mar 28, 2014
Luke_RiveraNot at all. Honestly, only reason I bought it was because it was black haha. I love the O2. I think it's a great amp. I have an ODac also. I speak very highly of them. Edit: Getting the Lyr got me into Orthos. I rock the O2 and HD650 or Qs.
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Mar 28, 2014
theeattreI deleted all of my comment because it was getting out of hand. I agree with you 100%. The fact he/she has zero experience with any equipment yet recommends/shits on said equipment based on regergitated info makes zero sense.
Syndicate
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Mar 28, 2014
DeleteIt doesn't make zero sense.
It's pretty simple: the Aune T1 appeals to people because of the tube, but many probably are unaware of its role. I'm letting them know that it does nothing (other than sell the product). 12V will not bring out the characteristics of the tube, and I imagine many people are buying this because they think they'll be able to change the sound of their headphones.
My OP was to make people aware of that and consider whether or not they should invest in a DAC/amp that will bring them more value in the long run.
theeattre
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Mar 29, 2014
Syndicateit's amazing that there are over 331 pages of comments in a single head-fi forum all praising the effects of tube rolling, down to exquisite detail of its impact in a multitude of situations in which users have even come to similar conclusions while using the same tube/headphone. but, you know, apparently the tube is just there to read the manual in dark. good to know i purchased an over glorified night light.
and value/return are subjective. there's much to be experienced out there. for 130, the aune has been an inexpensive and fantastic addition to my desktop setup. i'm sorry you haven't had a chance to try it as it might have surprised you.
BecauseImHappy
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Mar 29, 2014
tylerbrainerd
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Mar 29, 2014
theeattreperfectly stated.
tylerbrainerd
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Mar 29, 2014
SyndicateYou keep insisting that 12vs is not enough for the tube to matter, but I can tell you from personal experience that 9v is enough, as I often build and mod guitar pedals that use a single tube at 9v and it sounds awesome.
theeattre
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Mar 29, 2014
Deleteawesome that you got one of the black ones! wish schiit would go with both colors.
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Mar 29, 2014
theeattreI'm a sucker for limited edition the Lyr/Bifrost looked too nice. I wouldn't have grabbed them if they weren't black. I have another system on the list that will be acquired in the next month or two, I just need a place to put it.
theeattre
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Mar 29, 2014
Deletei know what you mean; i saw pics long after they sold but i would have jumped on that duo solely because of color. :) what are you picking up?
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Mar 30, 2014
theeattreMcintosh D100, Woo WA3. And I'm going to end up getting the Bottlehead SEX just for some DIY fun. I was hoping it would drop again here but I don't think there will be anymore bottlehead drops
theeattre
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Mar 30, 2014
Delete:0 uh, wow. now that's end game!congrats on that.
i've been looking at bottlehead as well. debating between the sex and paramour to power the blumenstein orcas (either classic or deluxe). this is my future setup for a main stereo where i'll be running a (to be) modded technic 1200. at least that's what i'm planning on at the moment. things have a way of changing but as of now i'm pretty convinced this will be a great setup for my needs.
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Mar 31, 2014
theeattreI'm a dealer for Mc so I get everything at cost. It's a beautiful piece. I've never heard a bad thing about any BH product, can't go wrong there. Blumensteins are really nice as well. I have 3 1210s myself. They were my DJ decks. I turned the spare into a regular hifi player. My back up is the only one not moded yet :(
theeattre
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Mar 31, 2014
Deletei don't think i've ever seen a bad looking mc piece. :) did you read about james murphy and his mcintosh sound system for despacio? my god. i'm not really a fan of his but i can only imagine how fantastic an experience that would be. and my 1200 is the last tt i have from djing. still have all of my vinyl, though i've had to edit it down over the years.
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Mar 31, 2014
theeattreYeah that Mc system is insane! I think there were three made and taken on tour if I'm not mistaken. It's a. beautiful setup. Technics will last forever. Definitely a great investment for a TT
theeattre
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Apr 1, 2014
Deletewho did your tt mods?
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