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nick_t
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Has anyone try converting them to balance ?
Nov 2, 2019
sheffieldsfan
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Nov 2, 2019
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nick_tI think I did. I sent them to Custom Cans who installed a 4 pin mini xlr port.
Nov 2, 2019
nick_t
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sheffieldsfanWhat is the difference in sound ?
Nov 3, 2019
sheffieldsfan
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Nov 3, 2019
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nick_tI can't tell. I also had mass dampening installed. Also, it took two weeks and I could not remember the before sound.
Nov 3, 2019
nick_t
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sheffieldsfanSO no difference ?
Nov 4, 2019
sheffieldsfan
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Nov 4, 2019
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nick_tThere are too many variables to tell whether or not the balanced cable made a difference in sound. I can say that the removable (and shorter) cable makes life with the headphones easier. I travel with them and need not worry about breaking the cable and thus ruining the headphones
Nov 4, 2019
nick_t
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sheffieldsfanWhy do you convert them to balance in the first place ?
Nov 4, 2019
sheffieldsfan
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Dec 9, 2019
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nick_tI wanted a removable cable. The guys who do it only install mini-xlr. I would have been happy with other connectors, too.
Dec 9, 2019
PoachedToast
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Dec 31, 2020
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nick_tAll balanced connections really do is deliver a lot more power, at a very low level of distortion. All other differences are due to the specific amplifier you are using. That being said, balanced (big emphasis on) USUALLY widens the soundstage but still depends on what amp you buy. I have the schiit magnius and the topping A90. The sound signature is pretty similar but the A90 has a much wider soundstage. Bottom line, go balanced if you want to add a little extra spunk with headroom for every pair of headphones you own.
Dec 31, 2020
nick_t
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PoachedToastWell do you have the DT 770 pro ?
Dec 31, 2020
PoachedToast
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nick_tNo, im actually looking to buy a pair. The reason i came digging through the discussions board was to figure out the sound differences between each ohm variant but to no avail. However i own a plethora of other headphones and amps. Such as, HD6XX, HD58X, HD580 (Precision), HE4XX, HE5XX, Audio Technica ATHAD900X, PC38X, and the Thieaudio Legacy 3 (yes i know theyre not headphones). As for amps i have the A90 as previously mentioned, Schiit Magnius, Littledot mk II, and some McIntosh i cannot remember the name of atm, i run my balanced amps with the Schiit Magnius, Topping D90, and a Dragonfly RED for le tubes. I also have the FiiO BTR5 bluetooth DAC/AMP (which also has a 2.5mm balanced output) for when i go traveling What im trying to say is Balanced output is inherently better than single ended in terms of the amount of power you get, and the lowered distortion due to how the analog signal is terminated. And thats it, everything else that usually comes with a balanced connection is entirely due to manufactuers "coloring" their products sound signatures and not in fact due to the balanced connection. The headphones do 90% of the work.
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Dec 31, 2020
nick_t
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PoachedToastWhen am asking regarding balance vs single ended, I was referring about the Dt 770 pro not in general, everyone know it. But since you you are looking for information, just wanna give you a brief description of sound. Have not heard the 80 ohms but I do know they are more bassier and smoother but extended highs in the treble compare to the 250 ohms. Many said the 32 ohms sounds similar to the 250 ohms but disagree. Treble is more define and focus with better detail texture (250 ohms), treble is thin and forward also detailed but less definition, however hardly any sibilance (80 ohms). Mid range almost alike clearer and vivid but recessed (250 ohms) Mid range is similar but more recessed (32 ohms). Bass is punchier and extended, even more well controlled even without an amp (250 ohms). Bass is more emphasis in lower bass and more muddy but with burn in effect, bass is better and the sub bass is lesser and roll off, disappointed (32 ohms). Both 250 ohms and 32 ohms presentation are flat but the 250 ohms gives a more natural and depth feel where sound stage feels wider and natural. Both present very good detail and imaging. Again 250 ohms more define in detail especially in highs region. 32 ohms sounded like its tune towards more to the favour of consumer like sound, very V shape than it already is while having boomier bass. But with a proper amp, maybe the 250 ohms gives you the better sense of punch of slam.
Dec 31, 2020
PoachedToast
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nick_tAh, my apologies for misinterpreting. I do not know how they sound with a balanced connection. Thank you however for the information, seems like the 80 ohm is a good mix between the two, and since im pretty much just looking for a pair of cans that can provide me with the big dirty stinky bass, i think 80 ohm choice is right for me.
Dec 31, 2020
nick_t
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PoachedToastPerhaps. I dont really recommend the 32 ohms. I have the 32 ohms and 250 ohms. Normally if one were to ask me, I would say forget about usage but in a sense of usage and sound quality alone, I would asked whether how often do you not need amp/dac for your 32 ohms on portable device, because truth to be told, it needs amp/dac for sound quality alone. But if that were to be the case, must as well get 80 ohms and 250 ohms for quality since mostly gonna use the portable amp/dac most of the time with 32 ohms. Anyway, why not you go for higher end headphone ? The reason why I go for the DT 770 pro because IMO, other portable marketed headphone sound like crap and some headphone dont do well with compressed recording.
Dec 31, 2020
PoachedToast
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nick_tFunny you say that, over the past few hours ive been doing some digging and i think ive settled on the dt990 600 ohm. I dont need anything to be portable and i have plenty of amp power to drive them. I dont really need closed back the more i think about it and i can buy a pair of the 990s for cheaper than the 770s with the help of my $50 amazon card xmas gift haha
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Dec 31, 2020
nick_t
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PoachedToastWell then your usage is different from mine. Am all about portable. Because if I want open and for high end listening, I would go for more expensive pair. Why cant go for higher end headphone ? The thing I dont really know your usage. Why dt 990s sure open back but again different sound signature. the Dt 770 is more towards fun listening as oppose to 990 analytical, just saying. Just so you know although opinion based, 880 600 ohms is the best of all the dt series, period. Its not matter of my personal preference its fact to be honest although I prefer Dt 770 I think.
Dec 31, 2020
PoachedToast
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nick_tI havent quite pulled the trigger yet, i am still trying to figure out which one to get. I also looked at the 880s 600 ohms and they were also one of the ones that stood out to me. Your replies are also helping since im not very good at interpreting 30 different and frankly conflicting reviews for every pair of headphones. I really wish drop would add a "bass head" selection of headphones so i could just throw my money at them and call it a day haha. Also, since you mention portability being your thing, have you tried the Thieaudio Legacy 3s? Theyre like $120 and in my opinion sound better than my hd600, i pair them with a FiiO BTR5 when i go on road trips and such and my god do they really give my $300+ headphones a run for their money. Edit: i could go for higher end headphones and eventually will. But right now ive got myself on a budget as im about to start school and need to be able to pay for that, so higher end can wait. Also, i really do just want these headphones specifically for edm and such, ive got other headphones to do other things really all im missing is a good v shape sound.
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nick_t
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PoachedToastHey glad to help. No I have not, have you ? Am interested in getting IEM but not too expensive. How is the Thieaudio Legacy 3s ? What is the sound signature ? IMO, IEM are very simple and straight forward for their balance armature driver where they normally have a direct sound signature or reference type of sound based on price point and in another words 'bang for buck'. However, am very inexperience in the world of IEM. Am a headfi guy. Thieaudio Legacy 3s could be my next purchase in 2021. Am a bit of trouble of deciding IEM. What do you think ? Have couple of questions. Anyway, once again depending on your usage of all the dt series. All of them are for professional monitoring and depending on your scenario in monitoring application which am also very inexperience. However, simply put, analytical sound and you know you will record details and vocals while playing imaging orientated games, Dt 990. Dt 770 personal favorite of mine are fun and consumer type entry level and while dt 880 is just pure and just for sound quality for music. Dt 770 focus on bass and fun especially sub bass while dt 880 just everything sound pure and reference means nothing is emphasize apart from being bright once in a while. I can go super detailed and all but take very long and am sure you know anyway through other forums. If going for DT 880, just go 600 ohms. Sorry to say others are trash ! Dt 770 has a purpose for 80 and 250 and while 32 ohms are good but I have disappointment in terms of power delivery and needing amps. As for dt 990 just go for 250 ohms, however 600 ohms for analytical music listening. Personally recommendation would be 250 ohms for 990. For the best sound quality of all of them is the DT 880 600 ohms, period. But of course if money is no object, go higher than the Dt line.
Dec 31, 2020
PoachedToast
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nick_tI super f****** LOVE the Legacy 3s, i think theyre here on drop too for a bit cheaper, they are very good. Sound has very pleasing bass / sub bass as well as a nice little sparkle in the treble, the mids are still bested by my 6xx but very close. I really mean it when i say that the Legacy 3s sound better than most of the headphones i have... They even have a soundstage! Albeit similar to the 6xx, soundstage in IEMs is something i did not expect before purchasing. The stock eartips are very uncomfortable and i could never get them to pressurize my ear canals evenly. I swapped them out for some Comply T400 foam tips and not only did it solve my previous issues, it brought even more bass to the party at no cost to the rest of the sound. They also have these 2 little dip switches on the back of each ear bud that you can change the sound signature with, essentially bass, mid, and treble boost along with the default of no boosting of any frequencies. Also do not think that because of the bass presence you lose detail, i hear things in the IEMs i have never heard before even with my 6xxs. I would 110% reccomend you buy them as they are honestly "end game" IEMs. They sound better that my friends $700 IEMs (i forget the name of what IEMs he has) but still, they are a true gem of the HiFi world. They are a wonderful little pair of ear buds and after replacing the tips i genuinely have nothing bad to say about them... Except they might be a little ugly? Lol seriously bro if you are looking to get into IEMs those are perfect. $129 from Linsoul and i think $100 or so on drop I have also come to a desicion... Im going to buy the 80 ohm 770s from drop, and the 600 ohm 990s on amazon. If i dont like the 990s i can return them and try the 880s, and if i come to find that i liked the 990s more i will just return them again and repurchase the 990s, the other reason i want the 990 over the 880 is i also want to use them on my tube amp and all the reviews im seeing point to the 990 (600 ohm specifically) being better with tubes than the 600 ohm 880s. And you are right, eventually i will move above the dt line and get me a nice pair of wooden he560s or lcdx2. I plan on reselling most of these headphones once my budget allows me to drop a grand or two on one pair of headphones anyway, just kind of hard right now with me being 20 and working overnights unloading trucks at the home depot down the road lol.
Dec 31, 2020
nick_t
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PoachedToastwow damn but I want to consider my options like how much improvement can I go when I spent more than Legacy 3s. So either way, how would you categorize the Legacy 3s in terms of sound signature ? Is it analytical and more detailed focus side, forward detail or wider presentation and natural reference sound; nuetral or warm ? But how can you be so sure or you only have specific budget and hence the Legacy 3s ? You try before buy or what ? Have you did some comparison with other IEM ? Also, what platform did you use or did you use the Legacy 3s with compressed recordings ? On the go, I prefer spotify or other compressed recordings with my own personal reasons. Are they transparent and detailed with just the phone alone or do they need dac from DAP or something ? I mostly use IEM for phone. What do you mean Linsoul ? Are you referring to the Tin T2 ? I have that as well but long story. What is end game you were referring ? The Legacy 3s ? I think sold for me sooner or later. But am still very unsure. Calling the Legacy 3s 'end game' seems vague as there are many factors to consider and other variables of other IEM in the price bracket or price per performance if you go for higher price IEM such as $300 price tag. Going back to Beyer dynamic conclusion, 880 600 ohms > 990 600 ohms period, its not my preference its a fact. I prefer 770 over 880 by the way but 880 is the better sounding in terms of reference and quality music listening. But if what you said about tubes and other reasoning of yours, why not. Good luck with that but am not into that combination. People saying they sound the same and am sorry for Beyer, impedance do make a difference in sound quality and aspect regardless of sources. But of course same signature across all impedance. But why the 770 80 ohms though ? the 770 80 ohms is a great portable and overall fun listening unless you like 770 signature. Also, I now kinda regret with my 32 ohms a little bit but they are still great overall. Regardless of use case, not matter what you like and usage but rather for all the dt line, like how often do you use the amp/dac especially portable ones. If hardly, then 32 ohms but bare in mind they are hard to drive a little and need more juice for sound quality. But even most portable amp/dac can even push 250 ohms so must as well not go for low impedance in the pursuit of sound quality unless portable device usage>amp/dac usage. I think your route of audio and my audio journey is different so yeah. Interesting.
Dec 31, 2020
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