I was disappointed that these weren't dt770pro with bass. If you like your bass to overshadow the rest of the mix, by all means, use these. I was even the one who was put off by the dt770pro before with the everything on the same plain of existence and super treble. I used oratory1990s dekoni pad eq, but any eq was very similar. I'm using these on top a modi 3+ / magney heresy. I wouldn't discourage people from these. I was just disappointed with the sound.