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EdwinG
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Aug 19, 2018
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Hi guys, I'm also considering into getting these open-back cans as my first entry-level audiophile headphones. I'll be switching from my closed-back HyperX Cloud II gaming headset. I don't have any DAC/AMP yet but I've read that my MSI Z370 SLI Plus motherboard has Audio Boost 4 as one of its features that can drive up to 600-Ohm headphones.
" The built-in dedicated headphone amplifier rewards audiophiles with headphones up to 600Ω impedance by delivering studio-grade sound quality from your gaming PC. Audio Boost 4 automatically detects the optimal impedance for your headphones and adjusts the output for the best sound quality. " https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z370-SLI-PLUS/Overview
Will my on-board audio be enough to drive the 250-Ohm or 600-Ohm variation as what my motherboard says on paper? Or do I really need a DAC/AMP? Thanks for any inputs.
Aug 19, 2018
GunsOfBrixton
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Aug 19, 2018
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The short answer is yes, it should be able to drive either one, based on its marketing specs. The power looks fine. This mb also seems to have been designed to minimize noise, which is the other typical problem. The 990 will let you know right away if you're getting noise - they are very resolving.
I'd definitely start with what you have. Then you can get sucked into buying amps as toys like the rest of us.
Aug 19, 2018
EdwinG
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Aug 19, 2018
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Thank you for your time in responding to my question. I shall purchase the 990 250-Ohm variant, soon. Also, I'm very tempted with the Sennheiser 58XJ as well. Mind if I ask if you have both cans and which do you prefer for music and gaming?
Aug 19, 2018
IlTossico
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Aug 19, 2018
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I bought DT990 All Black, same pair with different name, on massdrop 1 year ago. I use for daily use, 10 hours day for game/music and films.
The sound stage of those headphone are amazing for me, very good and persistent bass and very clear treble. I try it first with Battlefield 1, the sound of a exploding shell seems all too true, that headphones excite me, the tones are not real, not neutral, they give a lot of color.
The problem, uncomfortable, a lot if used for more hours, previously i use hd518, another world for comfort. Indeed 1 years later i order new PC37X, i think they will arrive in the next days. I can confirm you that use headphones and a external microphone like massdrop modmic or similar is too uncomfortable, 2 wire and other problem. Another problem, ok, for music and film they are perfect, but for gaming, na, they don't have a lot of spatiality, for most game is good but if u be a bit competitive u need to hear footsteps'sound very good. Sennheiser is known for neutral soundstage and lor of spatiality.
Ah, i have the 600 ohm version and i drive it with Darkvoice 336 Valve Amp, they need a lot of power for bring out their full potential and Tube amp are very good with this sounstage. I use them with my Oneplus 3t, but a very powerfull amp drive them in very different way. For 250 ohm is ok, the mb can drive it but if u want to use them very good, u need a separate and external dac/amp.
Aug 19, 2018
GunsOfBrixton
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Aug 19, 2018
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I have the 990 and the 6XX (close cousin of the 58X). I think either one is fantastic for music, but they are very different. If all of the talk about warm, bright, etc. is kind of meaningless to you, and you don't know what sound signature you like, know that you are dealing with very good headphones either way you go. Either is a great place to start. I'm not a gamer, but from what I understand, gamers tend to prioritize sound stage. Other gamers can weigh in on whether that's right. If it is, the 990's sound stage is better by quite a bit.
Aug 19, 2018
EdwinG
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Aug 20, 2018
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I've read that the treble of the 990 is kinda sharp. And that the 58XJ is better than the 6XX as most people compared both of them. I want a present bass and strong, clear mids. Never would've thought it's so hard to pick between the 990 or the 58XJ. But if you say the 990 has the wider sound stage, I'll go with it then.
Aug 20, 2018
GunsOfBrixton
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Aug 20, 2018
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The strong mids part you just mentioned makes me say hold on a second. That's not the 990's strong suit. That part sounds more like the Senns. Again, they're both great, just different. Is there a reason you narrowed it to just these two? What type of music do you listen to most? Neither one sounds like quite the perfect fit.
You have a few days on these and you can find this price pretty easily. No need to rush.
And let's see if we can get a gamer to weigh in on some good options for that side of your need.
Aug 20, 2018
EdwinG
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Aug 20, 2018
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I mostly listen to rock, progressive, instrumental-only type of music. I might be wrong with my preference on the mids. However, either should be good for gaming due to the nature of open-back.
Aug 20, 2018
KayGeeBee
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Aug 20, 2018
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Haven't used the Sennheiser's but I own the 600 Ohm DT's. Great for certain games, I play counter-strike as my game of choice and the accuracy of the DT's is great. Very clear and spacious soundstage, can tell exactly where steps are, even down to that tick that nades make before being thrown, I have an excellent idea of where its coming from. Great for games with a heavy focus on audio too, I cant imagine playing Senua's Sacrifice or Witcher on anything else tbh. But if your looking for bone shaking bass or play games with a lesser or no focus on audio (mobas, RTS, less competive shooters Battlefield fortnite etc) these are not the ones for you.
Music is great as well, great separation, though if your an EDM or hard rock guy maybe not the best. Bass I find recessed compared to other phones I own and the Mid, while clear, is still second fiddle to the feeling of space between instruments and the accuracy of the treble. Great for classical or old school pop (think beatles to Bowie).
Aug 20, 2018
EdwinG
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Aug 20, 2018
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Thank you for your response. I do play CSGO before and enjoying PUBG atm so the audio positioning and sound stage is a must. Open world games will also take advantage of the sound stage these headphones have. I think I'm convinced that I will get these cans versus the 58XJ.
Aug 20, 2018
GunsOfBrixton
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Aug 20, 2018
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Thanks for your input!
Aug 20, 2018
GunsOfBrixton
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Aug 20, 2018
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Given your preferred genres and the input from KGB, I think you're on the right track. I think you'll really enjoy these.
Aug 20, 2018
DarkKratoz
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Aug 20, 2018
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To my understanding, the highs of the 990 Pros is out of control, super sharp, but those are the 250 Ohm versions. Now, while the tuning is claimed to be the exact same on the 990 Premiums, which are 600 Ohm versions of the same headphones, and in my experience the highs are detailed and accurate, but resolve really well and don't feel sharp to my ears. The bass is also excellent on them. For $180 the DT990 Premiums are a really good deal.
Aug 20, 2018
DJ_Nuck_Chorris
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Aug 22, 2018
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I would recommend trying them with your onboard audio, and if you don't like it then buy a DAC/Amp.
Aug 22, 2018
yslee
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Sep 5, 2018
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I'm late to this but I hope you bought the 990s! I have the 990 Pros, and they are absolutely fantastic in games. The soundstage is incredible.
Sep 5, 2018
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