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Mist_x
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Dec 6, 2018
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How big is the soundstage compared to the HD 598 se? Will I regret buying this if I'm coming from a neutral sound signature? I need a new pair of headphones.
Dec 6, 2018
mattris
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Dec 6, 2018
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Coming from a neutral sound signature, the DT990 would be a bit of a shock. I'd be happy to give you a few headphone recommendations. Tell me, if you please: Where would you be using the headphones most? What (music genre) would you be listening to, mostly? Do you prefer an around-ear design? (no pressure on your ears) Do you own a DAC/amp? If so, what is the model? Would you like to use the headphones with your phone? If so, what phone do you have? What is your budget?
Dec 6, 2018
Mist_x
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Dec 6, 2018
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Thanks. I'm coming from an HD 598 and I tried the HD 600 for 2 weeks but the sound stage was too narrow for me. Where would you be using the headphones most? 50% gaming and 50% just casual videos on youtube/casual listening What (music genre) would you be listening to, mostly? j-Pop and j-rock Do you prefer an around-ear design? (no pressure on your ears) Yes Do you own a DAC/amp? No but the HD 600 was driven pretty well on my LG v20 and onboard audio (https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z370-AORUS-Gaming-7-rev-10#kf)
If so, what is the model? I might get the JDS Labs Atom Would you like to use the headphones with your phone? No What is your budget? About $350. Although if I can get something cheaper that would be good too. The HD 600 didn't amaze me to my surprise. Also tried the M50x and I just couldn't stand the comfort on it, especially the headband felt real bad. I couldn't really notice the bass in the store I tried it on. It sounded pretty average to me but I'm an audiophile noob so maybe that's it.
Dec 6, 2018
YamiFrankc
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Dec 7, 2018
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Hello, do you mind if I also get headphones recommendations?
Dec 7, 2018
Mist_x
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Dec 7, 2018
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I was looking around and based on this guys recommendations from here https://homestudiobasics.com/the-best-headphones-for-gaming/#comment-5918 Since I listen to rock, hip hop and pop and competitive game the DT 990s seem to do a good job. I think this might be my choice unless I'm convinced otherwise.
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Dec 7, 2018
mattris
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Dec 7, 2018
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I haven't heard the DT990's, but I would advise against choosing them. By looking at their measured frequency response graphs, I see they have a massive mid-to-upper bass hump (without sub-bass) and a large mid-treble peak (from 5-9 kHz). Massdrop even describes them as having "Strong bass and treble". Many consider them a fatiguing headphone. My current personal best-overall headphone - that don't need EQ - is the closed-back Sivga SV006 (https://www.amazon.com/Freegoing-Headphones-Powerful-Headset-Tablets/dp/B01N53QTD4) with Brainwavz XL Perforated Pleather pads installed. I am confident the SV006 is of the best-value, most-comfortable, closed-back dynamic headphone on the market today (once you swap-out the pads). Since they are from an off-brand company, so few people know about them. Since you're a gamer (FPS, right?), the SV006's wide soundstage and transparent sound would be advantageous for hearing footsteps and other important in-game auditory details. Though, if you want an open-back headphone... and are willing to modify them... and swap their pads... and use EQ, the Sivga SV007 will stack up against any (stock) headphone under $500. Let me know if this interests you.
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Dec 7, 2018
Mist_x
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Dec 7, 2018
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Well I'm not a really big fan of closed back since I'm more used to open backs. Eh the SV007 from the few reviews I seen says it's sound stage isn't that big but then other people at the same time are saying they are big. Sorta weird but not sure what to think of these headphones since I can't find a lot of reviews. And lord knows Zeos reviews of them the last time I followed his recommendation it didn't really amaze me. Maybe I would be happy with the change. Some people say the headband on the SV007 is a little noticeable and I even find something like the HD 600 headband to be painful to wear after a few hours. I think zeos even said those were narrow. I'm willing to spend about $150-$250 comfortably though to get a bit of a better build quality and definetly a lot more sound stage to compete with the HD 598. Although from what I heard not many headphones can compete in that price range. I've look at the X2 and some people say the build quality won't last so that sorta worries me. I would get the new HD 598 SR but the earpads are much less in quality in comparison to the HD 598 SE and has less cushion on top which worries me in comfort. If there is any other recommendations I would be open to them mate!
Dec 7, 2018
mattris
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Dec 7, 2018
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Keep in mind that practically all headphone reviews you'll read/watch will be with the headphones in stock form. Zeos swapped his SV007 pads to the smaller-ear-opening Brainwavz Round Velours, but performed no mods. People might say the its headband is a little noticeable since the weight distribution is unbalanced until you use large pads. New, my stock SV007's sounded rather hazy and dark. But after some mods (incl. carefully cutting-off the plastic grate over their drivers), a pad-swap, gentle EQ, my pair has a massive sound-stage, incredible speed and transparency... a real diamond in the rough. I've owned dozens of headphones over the years, and these are the ones I'm most proud to own.

I can assure you, a modded, EQ'd SV007 will absolutely demolish your HD 598... and compete with all juggernauts under $500. Mind if I ask which item Zeos recommended that didn't amaze you? I owned the X2 and was thoroughly impressed by its build quality. Unfortunately, its sound was simply not up to snuff: too much mid-bass and a driver that wasn't nearly as good as the one in the SV007. I've heard great things about the HD58X Jubilee offered here on Massdrop. In fact it's selling like hot-cakes, with many pleased customers. Zeos was impressed with them!
Dec 7, 2018
Mist_x
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Dec 7, 2018
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The headphones I got were the HD 600+660s not really anything impressive about them to me when listening to them and comparing them to the HD 598. I tried playing them on flac/328kbps and I don't really notice a difference even with 256kbps mp3 files. I wouldn't pay $300/$400 for either of them imo. The HD 58x is just a HD 660s from what some people say if modded. And Zeos seems to be happy with them. Although I can feel like they will be disappointing to me too.
Dec 7, 2018
mattris
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Dec 8, 2018
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If you want headphones that are transparent and well-made, have you considered the DT1990? I've heard almost unanimous praise for them. An authorized seller on eBay has them for $499 and includes a stand and case. Thoughts on my SV007 suggestion? Would you be willing to use EQ to correct the stock-sound of a headphone?
Dec 8, 2018
Mist_x
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Dec 8, 2018
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I'm not really convinced on the SV007 ;~; sorry. Thank you for the suggestion though. I'm not too experienced with EQ and getting different pads does add more cost to it and idk if the parts are replaceable which seems nice on the DT 990. I did look at the DT 1990 but it is a little pricey for me right now. I think I might just go with the DT 990 and then later on upgrade to the HD 800 when I have more money. If that doesn't work I might try the DT 1990/some audeze headphones I'm not sure of. I just want a new pair of headphones already since the HD 598 is literally on its last legs. I might just join this drop.
Dec 8, 2018
mattris
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Dec 8, 2018
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Looking at the frequency response graph (below), you would likely want to EQ the DT990 to lessen its emphasized bass and treble. With a program called Equalizer APO, it's not that difficult - but will require some time.
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The HD 800 is on a whole other level of soundstage and detail retrieval, so 'downgrading' to the DT1990 would probably not make much sense. If you think you might 'end up' with the DT1990, I would advise just getting them now... and be done. If you decide to get the DT990 and plan to use the JDS Atom, choose the 250-ohm version. (The 600-ohm version requires gobs of power to sound right.) All the best!
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Dec 8, 2018
Uzuzu
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Dec 9, 2018
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lmao if you aren't "treble sensitive" like a lot of babies amping these wrong, than get the 990s. They destroy practically everything, my Beyer bias exists, but for great reason.... His Sv007 rec is bad, but the dt1990 is probably one of the best headphones made, along with Amiron Home (same tech). They're just "fracking" amazing phones. dt 990 though is really good, not going to lie and tbh you will enjoy them based on your listening preferences, or the 880 if you want something more natural (but I think 880 is better for classic/jazz or critiquing, not enough bass for hardcore EDM). Don't be fooled into wasting your money, I've spent thousands into headphones, amps, etc. and you know what my favorite headphones are?? All mid-fi cans like the dt880, k712, etc... keep coming back to them, sold off pairs worth thousands and I currently only keep mid-fis, because they perform exactly as I want, to ENJOY music, where more analytical end-game cans I just found myself nit-picking the smallest micro-details... in the end it's just intrusive and abrasive and takes away from feeling the sound. Amiron was the compromise for me between detail/fun that made it my end-game can these last 2 years, and I still use the dt 880 for the other 40 percent of the time for it's comfort and balanced sound. You can't go wrong with the beyers, bro.
Dec 9, 2018
mattris
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Dec 9, 2018
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Someone being "treble sensitive" and "amping these wrong" are not the same. The DT990s have an even higher treble peak than the DT880s. What do you mean by "destroy practically everything"? You even admit you have a "Beyer bias". Why is my SV007 recommendation "bad"? I made clear that work would have to be done to make them sound their best. But have you heard it... or any Sivga headphone... or experimented with pad-swapping on them? You say the OP "will enjoy [the DT990] based on [his] listening preferences", but having exaggerated bass is detrimental for gaming... and even the exaggerated treble will become fatiguing on practically everything, except perhaps casual video-watching.
Dec 9, 2018
mattris
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Dec 9, 2018
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As Uzuzu said, the DT880 would be a better choice for you than the DT990. It's a little bright but has less bass than the DT990, which would make it better for FPS gaming. Keep in mind that BeyerDynamic's headband adjustment is not precise (locking) and will constantly have to be adjusted. Also, their long, somewhat thick cables are not user-replaceable. If you want to try a BeyerDynamic headphone, the DT880 (250-ohm, occasionaly offered on Massdrop) or the DT1990 would be good choices, as long as you can amp them properly. Avoid the exaggerated, fatiguing DT990. I can practically guarantee you will regret it... or have to resort to using EQ.
Dec 9, 2018
Uzuzu
1390
Dec 10, 2018
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It is dependant on one's hearing. I find the 880 though to be very good. I've only found it sibilant on 2 of 1000+ tracks I've played through it, and they WERE terrible recordings. dt-880 is far more neutral than the 58x or the 600/650, to the point it can be boring to some. It does have less bass impact, but further extension than either of the three. NOTE: I use the 600 ohm DT880 Premium, which is the one with smoothest treble. That said you're wrong about bass and gaming. Look at ninja, he wears the dt990 pro and he's one of the top 5 best fortnite players in the world. The headphone has been hailed for years as being great for FPS because the channels are easy to pick apart on that headphone. I also don't really find it sibilant for gaming, but it can be for 'some' music. It's still an excellent headphone. EDIT: bass also doesn't affect positional sound in a good headphone, even when it is very present. Your argument here isn't much of one. That aside, a lot of gamers want that "bass" for the immersive feel it brings, especially in certain games like FPS. I would concur, and gaming on bassy phones like the th-900 is perfectly natural. Hell even gaming on 12 dollar sony earbuds is fine, positional technology in games now is so good that even with buds with literally zero sound quality or soundstage I could accurately locate enemies in perfect 3d space.. Anything with an L and R channel will work fine for gaming in the modern day, though obviously better separation and a wide enough soundstage or 3d enough one will feel more natural. This is independent of the midrange though My beyer bias is a running joke I have with myself, it's just because Beyer is objectively the best manufacturer in headphones. They offer amazing quality comfort/sound/price ratio products that are some of the best, and cheapest ways to get into hi-fi. Truely I'm unbiased when it comes to judging things off the way that they sound, however. I would personally recommend the dt770/880/990 with the 880 being MY personal favorite, as well as the k712 (not k7xx!), hd650, and hd58x as the best entries into audiophile territory. All of them are great, some with better value for money (beyer) but I think one should make the purchase based on the use of the headphone, and genre of music most listened to. For me it's jazz/classical and with mixed folk/edm, so the neutral 880 is obvious. I really loved the 650 for years, but eventually got tired with how laid back it sounds. It always sounds good, just never has any emphasis other than it's mid coloration to bring a song to life. I found the ATH AD series was better at filling my mid needs.
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Dec 10, 2018
mattris
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Dec 10, 2018
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Sound perception "is dependent on one's hearing". Agreed. But I'm not "wrong about bass and gaming" with the DT990. Its significant bass-to-mids boost - all the up to 700 Hz - will not help FPS gamers. On the contrary, boosted bass - especially when it bleeds into the lower mids - would be detrimental and "affect positional sound", as the bass frequencies would cloud the image. Gamers that want bass "for the immersive feel it brings" should simply engage a bass boost on their DAC or amp. Boosted bass shouldn't be the default sound in a FPS headphone. "The headphone has been hailed for years as being great for FPS..." Beats and Sony headphones 'have been hailed for years' for portable, wireless listening. Does that make them 'the best' for the job... or the best value? The fact that you admit the DT990 can be "sibilant... for 'some' music" is indicative that it could present an issue, especially for extended listening sessions. I'm sure it is "an excellent headphone"... if modded. Don't kid yourself, "gaming on 12 dollar sony earbuds" or "anything with an L and R channel" would be foolish - not "fine". "Buds with literally zero sound quality or soundstage" would not be conducive "to accurately locate enemies in perfect 3d space". Just having "better separation and a wide enough soundstage or 3d enough one will feel more natural", as will having accurate mids relative to the bass and treble. Your Beyer 'fanboy' status does not mean that Beyer "is objectively the best manufacturer in headphones". They are simply your brand preference. Having said that, I would agree that they are one of the best headphone companies. "I think one should make the purchase based on the use of the headphone, and genre of music most listened to." Agreed. The k712 are quite enjoyable and light. Shame they are so plastic-y and loose-fitting. Over the yeras, I've owned dozens of lower-end and less-expensive headphones, but I still have yet to hear the DT1990, HD600, 650, or ATH-AD series. Have you heard any of Sivga's offerings? I own the SV003, 007, 006, as well as its close relative, the BossHifi B8, it would be fair to say I have 'Sivga bias'. Though, they all come with crappy pads and require a pad-swap... Brainwavz XL!
Dec 10, 2018
Uzuzu
1390
Dec 10, 2018
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No, I haven't invested the time or money into hearing no-names. You're wrong about the 990 though, tons of gamers have used it for years. A headphone doesn't have to be the best, to be suitable for gaming. Last time I checked the 990 didn't have much if any bleed into its mids, mids are also irrelevant in directional cues used in FPS, arguably the only gametype where a headphone truly matters... Again I don't know what ears you have bro, but even with a Sennheiser momentum, which is perhaps the most disgusting headphone with midbass bleed I've ever heard, I could game perfectly fine on it and understand directional cues. If you haven't heard that trash can, you should, and you'll learn. While boring sounding you literally don't need soundstage in a headphone to game, though having one is better. Not refuting that fact, simulated 7.1 in L/R, which is in every game these days will allow you to locate within inches any enemy, with literally ANY headphone. DT 990 is also quite wide. I get you hate the headphone, it's not even my favorite (Amiron home is) but comeon my dude if you haven't even heard it you can't judge it.
Dec 10, 2018
mattris
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Dec 10, 2018
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I have superb ears and hearing discernment. Just because "tons of gamers have used" the "suitable" DT990 for years, doesn't make it good - or even preferable - for gaming. Looking at the FR graph I posted, the DT990 clearly has considerable "bleed into its mids". With as much of a bass boost as it has, it would not be on any credible 'Best For FPS Gaming' list. You seem to imply that ANY headphone would be "suitable for gaming", but I disagree. Mids up to 2.5 kHz are still important. I owned the (bass-to-mids bleed) Sennheiser Momentum 2.0 for a few months... and discovered that Brainwavz' angled real leather pads did wonders for their sound. If you ever come across them in the past... or any headphone with 'disgusting midbass bleed' try pad swapping. Certain pads significantly improved the Sivga headphones, as well. (Why don't all companies utilize stock pads that make their headphone sound good? It's a conspiracy!) I don't "hate the DT990". I just wouldn't recommend it for FPS. Having said that, I look forward to hearing it, as well as all of the headphones you mentioned. But I have so many other priorities... and that's just considering my prospective audio purchases!
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Dec 10, 2018
Uzuzu
1390
Dec 11, 2018
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I won't argue, you're just wrong, the gaming community would agree.
Dec 11, 2018
mattris
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Dec 11, 2018
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Is that frequency response graph wrong? I would never advise people taking headphone advice from "the gaming community". I would wager a significant amount that the vast majority of gamers that use the DT990 (250- or 600-ohm variants) aren't powering them properly, so the headphones' bass and treble response would be wacked-out and/or unpredictable.
Dec 11, 2018
Uzuzu
1390
Dec 11, 2018
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Nothing about the frequency graph is wrong or says they suck at gaming. A slight bass boost is great for gaming. Slightly recessed midrange, is still great for gaming. These headphones have a great soundstage, which is great for gaming. Also assuming most people are idiots amping their headphones wrong is just mean, Beyer does make a 32 ohm version for obvious reasons, and even judging by amazon reviews (good way to find normal, non-audiophile consumer buyers and their opinions) people usually look up the difference between the different ohm models before they just click and buy. That said, under-amped Beyers still perform pretty damn well, where Sennheisers do sound out of whack unless fed a perfect stream of juice. Have you even heard the 990? It sounds amazing gaming. Nothing wrong taking headphone advice from the 'gaming community' when they're the ones using x headphone for that purpose. The 990s are infinitesimally better than whatever siberia or turtle beach crap gamers are using, while providing levels of bass that THEY want. I really don't know why you think nicely accentuated bass somehow ruins gaming, it makes zero sense. It makes explosions and gunfire far more immersive than a purely neutral can, positioning IS more than adequate, it's wonderful with the 990. You seem to forget the 990 is an open headphone as well, and as a closed user as you seem to be chances are your bass is already pretty strong side of neutral as well. Anyway I think this is a pretty subjective argument, at least to a degree. But it's no lie gamers want bass, I mean it's even been a meme for years. Finally a lot of gamers though are actually using gear with decent fidelity thanks to Linus, Hardwarecanucks, and a plethora of high-subscriber tech youtubers talking about gaming headphones for years. Practically everyone now is at least running something like an hd 558 or better, time to stop hating on gamers and thinking they use trash gear.
Dec 11, 2018
Mist_x
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Dec 11, 2018
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Well I guess I'm going to take the shot and try the DT 990s. I'm fully aware that I can't return these if I don't like them which sorta stinks... Let's see how they work out. Thanks for all the help guys.
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Dec 11, 2018
mattris
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Dec 11, 2018
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I didn't say the DT990 would "suck at gaming". I would not call a 8.5 dB increase at 120 Hz (relative to 1 kHz) "a slight bass boost". They also have 6.5 dB more at 8 kHz... 10 dB more than at 4 kHz. That is exaggerated, to say the least. "Assuming most people are idiots amping their headphones wrong" isn't "mean". It's just my theory... that is almost certainly correct. "Normal, non-audiophile consumer buyers" don't own DAC/amps - or even know that they are. Most 'normal' consumers think a headphone sounds best performance as long as it 'gets loud enough' on their device, whether it be their phone or computer's headphones jack. I will also theorize that most people buy a headphone that has received good reviews... and is on sale or the least expensive model/variant at the time they want to make a purchase. Amazon's reviews can only tell the prospective buyers what other (mostly uneducated) users have reported... "they got loud enough and sound great!" But "blind leading the blind" is often the case, and we all know it. I owned the DT770 and 880 - never the 990. I will eventually purchase the 600-ohm version, but I will need a better amp to hear it properly. Pardon me for being skeptical regarding taking headphone advice from the 'gaming community'. Yes, the "990s are infinitesimally better than whatever siberia or turtle beach crap gamers are using". But while gamers say they 'want' bass, they may not realize that too much bass, bass bleeding into the mids, and/or loose bass (if the headphones are under-powered), is actually detrimental during competitive FPS gaming. I say it would be preferable to manually engage a software - or hardware - bass boost, rather than having the boost by default in the headphones. Some accentuated bass would be fine with gaming... or music, movies, etc. It's the 990's rise starting around 800 Hz that worries me. I've heard headphones that have a similar signature... and they sounded bloated. I know the 990 is an open headphone. I would bet that my best cans, a modded SV007, would stand toe-to-toe with them... while not ever requiring EQ to prevent listening fatigue. With EQ to remove the slight upper-bass/lower-mids hump and increase sub-bass, I would put them up against any <$600 headphone in stock form. They are that good. All of my closed headphones have been custom-pad-swapped to avoid bass bloat. In fact, I matched them with pads that increase sub-bass - the frequency range that nearly all <$200 open-back headphones lack - as you know, of course. Yes, listening preferences are subjective. But replicating realism isn't. Does the replication (recording + playback) result in a realistic sound... or not? Gamers may want bass, but most probably don't realize that it doesn't really help in competitive setting; it just makes playing 'more fun'. I'm sure 'a lot of gamers are actually using gear with decent fidelity'... but probably not most of them. I'm not "hating on gamers". I'm just making a (most likely) observation because many - if not most - do use 'trash gear'... and do not even know what a DAC/amp is, much less own one.
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Dec 11, 2018
Uzuzu
1390
Dec 12, 2018
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Oh boy. Can you stop "quoting" me in attempt to refute every statement? It bloats your posts. None of what you said is much applicable for 2018, more and more "gamers" are seeking better audio experiences. Calling amazon reviews of the 990 "blind leading the blind" is an insult to people you know nothing about. You realize a small percentage of those reviews are by gamers, and instead people looking for the 990's sound. It is a great headphone. Also flat sound isn't better for competitive, it DOES NOT effect positional awareness, period unless your U curve looks like it has two straight walls.
Dec 12, 2018
Uzuzu
1390
Dec 12, 2018
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Nice. Make sure to pick up an amp. They'll sing better with it if you got the 250 ohm or the 600 ohm so don't sweat. The atom should have enough drive to power the 600 ohm cleanly. Underamping them results in a bit sloppier bass and treble that is a lot less clean than it could be, with my experience. You could also check out the Liquid Spark, it has more power and is the same price, though I hear both amps sound really good. All this 990 talk is making me miss my old dt 990 pro, I'm getting one, and I may go for the chrome version or the black, decisions, decisions
Dec 12, 2018
Mist_x
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Dec 12, 2018
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Oh yeah i heard about the Liquid spark a bit I might decide on it when getting amp. I got the 250 ohms version just so easier to drive, thanks.
Dec 12, 2018
Uzuzu
1390
Dec 12, 2018
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Good, good, then either one of those amps will do you good. Assuming you still have budget make room for a dac as well, otherwise you'll be double-amping your onboard. I looked at your mobo and it only has 3.5mm out or S/PDIF. Neither the Atom or spark have S/PDIF inputs, most amps don't, so you'd have to use their rca inputs splitting from your 3.5 Problem with the 3.5mm signal is... you're already amping it most likely, unless the back output can go out independent of your pc volume and basically be just a dac, which I doubt. So when you feed it into your amp you're just double amping it and magnifying distortion in the process. I'd recommend then an ODAC or SLDAC by JDS Labs or massdrop SDAC.
Dec 12, 2018
mattris
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Dec 12, 2018
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I think the DT880 might be a better choice overall. But if you've decided to go with the DT990, I wish you all the best. Since you don't already own a DAC, I would recommend getting a DAC/amp combination unit. Massdrop offers a few upscale options in the $300-400 range. Would you prefer a less expensive unit... or one with an optical (S/PDIF) input so that you can use it without having to install drivers?
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Dec 12, 2018
mattris
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Dec 12, 2018
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I don't care about 'bloating my posts' or if you think I'm 'insulting people'. What I do care about potentially misleading people with the DT990's bassy (and bright) sound. Be both know that the vast majority of headphone reviewers of Amazon don't really understand what they're talking about... likely under-amping (with no dedicated amp) or over-amping (sourcing an amp from their headphone jack). I didn't say a 'flat sound' would be better for competitive gaming. Obviously, some treble emphasis would be preferable for positional awareness (footsteps). I just noted that exaggerated bass would not help - but would likely hinder - a competitive gamer's experience.
Dec 12, 2018
Mist_x
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Dec 12, 2018
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@mattris Oof well I'll have to look more into this then and come back to it. I'm not going to buy an amp or dac atm since I'm a little low now. Thanks for help.
Dec 12, 2018
Uzuzu
1390
Dec 13, 2018
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"I don't care about 'bloating my posts' or if you think I'm 'insulting people'. " "Be both know that the vast majority of headphone reviewers of Amazon don't really understand what they're talking about..." When I was first getting into better gear, I read many amazon reviews, and head-fi reviews. Amazon reviews are on point if you sample them correctly. There's more idiots on head-fi half the time. We all also know the Beyer 990s are bassy and bright, since you said so, I said so, the little cute description says so, your mother says so, my grandma says so, and amazon and head-fi and beyer themselves say so. No misleading here. And once again, exaggerated bass doesn't hinder anything for a competitive gamer, so stop repeating yourself until you come at me with empirical, case-study proof.
Dec 13, 2018
mattris
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Dec 13, 2018
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With competitive FPS gaming, the only frequencies that really matter are upper-mids and lower-treble. Any frequencies that approach the intensity of those is just clouding the overall image. I go ahead and repeat myself: Some accentuated bass would be fine with gaming... or music, movies, etc. It's the 990's rise starting around 800 Hz that worries me. I've heard headphones that have a similar signature... and they sounded bloated. But sorry, I won't be able to "come at [you] with empirical, case-study proof". Gamers - and music listeners - can continue using the DT990's distracting and/or exaggerated bass... and never realize that it is hindering their performance and/or enjoyment. "Ignorance is bliss" and "To each his own" apply here.
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Dec 13, 2018
Uzuzu
1390
Dec 13, 2018
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"ignorance is bliss" and unfounded bias and hate over a headphone you've never heard proves it all. Have a good one.
Dec 13, 2018
mattris
871
Dec 13, 2018
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Massdrop stated in the DT990's description that it has "Strong bass and treble". You (and the FR graph) confirmed that was the case. I stated that I've heard other headphones with a similar FR and didn't like them, especially headphones with exaggerated bass. But I never said that I "hated" the 990. Nice try, Shrek. You have a good one, too.
Dec 13, 2018
mattris
871
Dec 13, 2018
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Hi, Mist_x. I wanted to let you know that Massdrop is offering the Beyerdynamic DT880 now: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/beyerdynamic-dt880-premium-limited-edition-black If recommend getting the 600-Ohm version and a powerful amp, specifically a DAC/amp combination unit such as the Mayflower Objective2 ODAC: https://mayflowerelectronics.com/desktop-objective2-with-odac-rev-b Available on Amazon without the optional RCA-outs: https://www.amazon.com/Mayflower-Electronics-Desktop-Objective2-ODAC/dp/B00TQ2JDAG.
Dec 13, 2018
Uzuzu
1390
Dec 14, 2018
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88mw@600ohms won't drive the 600 ohm 990s OR 880s to full potential. I'd recommend 300mw@600ohm or higher.
Dec 14, 2018
mattris
871
Dec 14, 2018
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I'm aware that the 600 ohm 990s and 880s have the most potential. What DAC/amp would you recommend for them? Or do you think it would the Mayflower unit with the DT1990 offer a higher cost-to-performance ratio?
Dec 14, 2018
Uzuzu
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Dec 14, 2018
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The amps he already said he was interested in are better, but they didn't exist when the Objective AMP was first made. The Liquid Spark or the JDS Labs Atom are both better, and only 99 dollars. I agree with the choice of DAC though, I will always recommend the ODAC which is what comes inside of the Mayflower. ODAC is the perfect balance of musicality to refinement. I also agree with your previous post about 880s, cause they are my favorite Beyers that aren't the Amiron and T1.
Dec 14, 2018
Rocketguy1
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Dec 29, 2018
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The DT1990 offer a „worse“ soundstage than the DT990y
Dec 29, 2018
mattris
871
Dec 29, 2018
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Can you expand on what you mean by "worse"? Which version of the DT990 did you hear?
Dec 29, 2018
Rocketguy1
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Dec 29, 2018
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I unfortunately did not hear the DT1990 yet, I was considering buying it though. I read many test which also included very good measurements, in which the DT1990 were behind the 990. The DT1990 are better when it comes to distortion and the range. They are the better headphones, just not entirely as open as the DT990.
Dec 29, 2018
mattris
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Dec 30, 2018
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Measurements do not tell the entire story of a headphone. In which categories is the DT1990 "behind the 990"? By what measurement can you say that the DT1990 is "not entirely as open as the DT990"? You cannot say one is "better" or "worse" without hearing both, preferably in a direct comparison.
Dec 30, 2018
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