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Beyerdynamic Manufaktur DT 990 600 Ohm

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Jun 24, 2015

Three questions: Why has the price increased by $20 compared to the recent Manufaktur DT880 600Ohm drop? Why was this design chosen over the 'Chrome on Black' design that seems to have received 1 extra vote? Is there any way to see what the 'Chrome on Black' design actually looked like? You can only see a tiny thumbnail pic of it on the voting results page.

amg206

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Jun 24, 2015

JaggiQ#3 You can customize here to see what it would look like http://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/shop/manufacture/mf_de/popup.php?m=dt990&l=en&xml=dt990_usa.xml&sub=north-america

Jun 24, 2015

amg206Thanks amg206, but the problem is that it's hard to tell from the thumbnail exactly what parts the design used. Is the larger pic you posted an accurate depiction of the 'Chrome on Black' design?

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amg206

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Jun 24, 2015

JaggiAs best as I could tell from the thumbnail + options in the creator.

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Jun 25, 2015

JaggiWhen you say "recent Manufactur DT880 600Ohm drop," are you referring to the disastrous one that happened before last Christmas and involved *both* the DT-880 and 990? If so, I don't recall the prices because the poll, drop and purchasing records were wiped off the face of Massdrop. That drop was the one that made me pay attention to Massdrop in the first place.
If I check my bank records from last year, am I going to see a refunded amount for the 990s that reflects your $249 price plus shipping? As I recall, selecting 600 Ohms added to the total, as did various other options. However, I happened to order the exact version of the 990s that's being offered in this drop , which means that I can look up the price once I arrive home in a few days if you're interested.

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Jun 25, 2015

VarholiaglimpNo I'm referring to this recent drop for an all-black Manufaktur DT880:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/beyerdynamic-manufaktur-dt-880-600-ohm-model
It was only available at 600 Ohms and cost $249 plus shipping. It was also limited to 50 units (although they only specified the 50 unit limit sometime after the drop started).

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Jun 25, 2015

amg206Thanks for going to the effort of making that pic amg, and actually having another look at it I don't like that chrome and black design anyway. The chrome painted grill looks a bit tacky IMO, the kind of thing you'd expect to find on a cheap 'gamer' headset. I'd much rather have the default silver/gray colour.

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EniGmA1987

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Jun 25, 2015

JaggiPrice different between this and the last DT880 drop is probably because this is the DT990, a different model...

Jun 26, 2015

JaggiIn which case the $20 difference in price would seem to be because (1) if you're comparing the two models, the DT-880 is below the DT-990 in terms of model designation and so would be less expensive or (2) if you're comparing the difference between the cost of each customized model versus that model's base price, because (i) the customizations are different and so cost different amounts and/or (ii) the base price you're seeing elsewhere might fluctuate according to developments in the market (supply, consumer interest, etc.).

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Jun 26, 2015

EniGmA1987Exactly -- and because different customization options cost different amounts of money.
At first, I thought that Jaggi was asking a more logical question: Why there had been a specific price increase of $20 in the drop for the 990 but not the 880 since both were offered together in the multiple-model drop in Q4 2014. Asking that question would imply that he'd accessed and compared the prices of each model in all three sales and concluded that the Manufactur DT-880 had been offered at the same price in the second drop as it was originally, but that the DT-990 had increased by $20 since the 2014 drop.
It never occurred to me that anyone would ask why the DT-990 wasn't the same price as the DT-880, let alone why customized versions of each would be priced differently. Of course the prices would be different.

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Jun 26, 2015

VarholiaglimpThe DT-880 is not 'below' the DT-990. While differing in design and sonic character, they normally sell for the same price. The base price for the Manufaktur version of either before adding custom parts is exactly the same.
The 'normal' cost of the customized parts on this version of the DT-990 is $14 more compared to the all-black DT-880 drop. Since this is being sold at a large discount to the normal price I don't know why that has translated into a $20 increase in price over the DT-880.

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swrobel

Jun 27, 2015

JaggiI'm not sure you're correct about that, BD's product line goes 770<880<990.

MonsieurKirby

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Jun 27, 2015

swrobelI don't own and I haven't demo'ed the 770/880/990, but from my search for the right headphone to buy, I never had the impression that one model was "better" than another. Of course, plenty of people argue one model is "better" than the other, but it seems to be a matter of preference.
For the most part, the three models can all be described as having a v-shaped sound signature, but they do have a significant difference in design. The 770 is closed-back, the 880 semi-open, and the 990 is an open-back design. These differences have an impact on sound signature, tonal balance, and soundstage. If you're curious about how one model sounds to another, this head-fi thread probably has a lot of good feedback about the 770/880/990. http://www.head-fi.org/t/286749/beyerdynamic-dt770-vs-880-vs-990

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Jun 27, 2015

MonsieurKirbyThe question of which model is "better" is a red herring -- the third red herring to be introduced into this thread after Jaggi's statements about "identical" pricing, etc . Placement in a product line doesn't indicate popularity or ultimate value to consumers, professionals and reviewers. It only indicates model stratification and initial pricing.
Klaus Blum, retired 47-year veteran of Beyerdynamic, is on record as saying that his favorite headphone ever made by his company is the DT-880 Pro.
Above and below, as I used those prepositions, referred strictly to the model numbers and pricing. Regardless of street prices, the uncustomized DT-990 Premium 600 Ohm has an MSRP of $429 in the States, while the uncustomized DT-880 Premium 600 Ohm has an MSRP of $399. The Manufactur versions are sold by Beyerdynamic. Of course there's a $20 difference.
Additionally, the fact that the 770, 880 and 990 are closed, semi-open and open, respectively, is not the only reason for the model numbers. That same line used to include a model called the DT-831, which was a closed headphone. I know because I still own it and am one of the few members of Head-fi who actually reviewed it.
Besides which, the customizations for each model in each drop weren't chosen for pricing uniformity. Each variant of each model was customized according to personal aesthetic/sonic preferences in the original poll by Danny Liu. I remember that because I recall the variables in price when I selected different options for patterns, materials and even colors in the first drop. The options could end up costing the same amount for each model, but they varied in the original poll and in the first aborted drop. It isn't a given that they *have* to be exactly the same in the latest two drops.

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Jun 27, 2015

VarholiaglimpThe idea than the DT-990 is a higher model seems to be firmly stuck in your head, but other than in North America for some reason, the DT-990 doesn't sell for a higher price. Beyerdynamic sells them for the same price on their web store everywhere else in the world. The Manufaktur versions of the DT-880 and DT-990 are sold at the same price everywhere, including North America.
I just found this FAQ on Beyerdynamic's site that is quite relevant:
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Which model is the best? DT 770 Edition, DT 880 Edition or DT 990 Edition?
All three models are similar in terms of their mechanical and acoustic quality. The numbers 770, 880 and 990 do not provide any indication of higher or lower quality. The three models do, however, differ significantly in their playback in terms of acoustic design and frequency response.
Link: http://support.beyerdynamic.com/hc/en-us/articles/200994682-Which-model-is-the-best-DT-770-Edition-DT-880-Edition-or-DT-990-Edition-
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Your comment "Of course there's a $20 difference" has me scratching my head. The only $20 difference is here on Massdrop. Perhaps you've misread my post?
My main point is this: Even if I bought these two designs from Beyerdynamic at full retail price, I would only pay an extra $15 for the DT-990 model (because it has one extra custom part). So it appears there is less of a discount on this drop compared to the recent Manufaktur DT-880 drop.
As for the difference in sound, the DT-880 is widely regarded as having a relatively flat or neutral (more accurate) response, while the DT-990 has a more prominent V-shaped response with boosted base and treble levels.

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ChicagoWay

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Jun 27, 2015

Jaggi1. I think you answered your first question. This drop does not have as much of a discount as the 880. My guess is that the 990s are more popular. In any event MD has to negotiate the discount on each drop and I suspect part of the reason is the old supply and demand reason. 2. Just because one design is out voted doesn't mean the is the product MD can get a deal on. It is a poll after all. MD knows the communities preferences (usually the top three) and tries to negotiate based on that, but can't always get first pick.

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