BGVP DM6 IEM Reviews | Drop | First, let me say...

Apr 25, 2019

ger546Can't trust someone trying to burn an IEM, and a full BA one at that, and believing cables actually change the sound.

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Apr 26, 2019

NanokillzxCant trust an idiot who obviously has no experience of burn in and so arrogantly tells everyone that those who have -actually- EXPERIENCED it are morons ?!? Yes, BA tend not to change as much as DD but you are ignoring a LOT of people on Head-fi who HAVE reported changes - even those who previously thought this impossible

D1Scott

Apr 27, 2019

lexsNo such thing as burn in, your brain acclimates to the sound... Buy a pair of headphones or speakers you've never listened to before, do your "burn in" and then go buy an identical set of phones or speakers. The second pair will sound exactly like the first pair that had been "burned in".

Apr 27, 2019

D1ScottWell, of the 170 head phones I have so far owned I have experienced burn in [a change after x amount of hours be it subtle or not] with a good 90% of them. I accept YOU have not experienced this but that does not mean that therefore everybody else is wrong. I also accept though that, as you say ,the mind with which one listens to headphones can play a large part in how sound is perceived. End of the day though I trust my sound engineers ears and years of experience time and time again over the nay sayers

D1Scott

Apr 28, 2019

lexsThere is a reason for double blind tests, one of them is to counter the placebo effect. If you really want your new headphones to not be so bright, your brain will take care of that for you. Just like the previous poster said about cables changing the sound. Besides engineers at top audio manufactures have admitted there is no such thing as burn in, also why is it these changes don't appear when the headphones / speakers are measured? But if it makes you happy, have it.

Apr 28, 2019

D1ScottActually, many companies that produce headphone will include literature in the box or info on their websites to please burn in their headphones for 100 hours+ There are some so called 'top' companies these days who are releasing dreadful sounding headphones so I wouldn't put all my faith in them. The reason changes don't appear is due to the nature of those changes and that there are as yet no machines designed to measure them. Freq. response graphs a re a very rough general measurement. In general the biggest change noted is the low end going from splashy, muddy, unfocused to a more refined and tighter sound, highs can clam down and all the frequencies over all become more coherent...to different degrees with different headphones. Anyway..it doesn't make me 'happy' it is just an observable repeated phenomenon experienced over many years of working in the industry. It is often subtle but clear enough if you listen to the actual audio rather than just the music. By the way the 'brain' has no power from its own side to do anything. It is a purely physical process. We experience audio with our minds - hearing is not a physical process although the physical parts of the ear are parts of the causes and conditions that give rise to the ear consciousness. I say this to illustrate that with a trained ear you can subjectively learn and understand anything. That aside I find it a sad state of modern society that you A, Clearly having no experience of burn in and B, having read something on the internet would then C, Completely ignore a sound engineers experience (someone who is literally trained to hear the subtitles of audio) and that based on your complete lack of any ACTUAL experience of something come onto a forum to proclaim I am simply wrong ?!? Please don't think i am personally attacking you, I dont wish to, I just wanted to point out the falicy of proclaiming that someones experience is of no value where as an opinion based no experience is more correct ?!? It just makes ZERO sense. I respect your thoughts on this as they are your beliefs but I would like to point out . . . well. its a tad closed minded? Anyway, just making a point for what its worth. Please dont take it personally :)

Apr 28, 2019

lexsYour argument is convuluted. There is no reason to sufficiently believe in burn-in until proper tests are done: double blinds, A-B's, and frequency graphs. I'll give you a point that there's no publicly available audio measuring machine for compression. Also, you have fucked up quite dearly when you fought against basic biology and psychology there. You clearly do not properly take account for personal subjective experiences in audio in terms of psychology (as how you somehow accept that the other person does not experience burn-in but you do). You're forgetting that every stimuli we perceive gets processed by our brains and even memories before we experience them. Ever heard of Jean Piaget? Also, 'subtleties', not subtitles. Eperience does not mean YOU do not have any biases, neither does any professional in the world. Experience does not also mean you are top dog in what you work/train at. If I was going to personally attack you, you sound like a crossfitter with average arm girth preaching about vegan diets increasing your muscle mass. "Don't take it personally."

Apr 28, 2019

NanokillzxOne final thing: a lot of people has "experienced" Jesus in their lives. Guess where's the proof?

Apr 28, 2019

NanokillzxI mostly agree with your points. Im not sure though how a physical entity such as a brain has power from its own side to 'process' anything. Nothing physical has any power to process anything from its own side. You are confusing the brain with consciousness. Im not sure though how one 'fucks up dearly' and I don't recall fighting at any point Each persons experience is exactly that though. People who don't believe in burn in always start clamouring for proof and graphs and tests as if they just cannot handle the fact that someone has experienced something they have not ?!

Apr 28, 2019

NanokillzxIf you told me you were completely in 'love' I would be happy for you & wish you the best I wouldn't demand proof or a graph or anything. It saddens me that people like you just can't accept and be happy for people with opposing experiences to your precious own. Why are you holding so tightly to a view [based incidentally on a negative] makes no sense. You have not experienced burn in - You have read on the internet that some other people have also not experienced it and based on that you choose to hold strongly to the view that therefore it does not exist. Then you go our of your way to come onto a forum and challenge someone who has experienced burn in over many years and many headphones ??

D1Scott

May 2, 2019

lexsNanokillzx is right, you completely ignore human physiology and measurements of equipment, I've yet to see a "burned in" DAC, amp, and headphones / speaker measurements change after being "burned in". One of the best advice I received was back in the early 90's at a high-end audio store in NYC. I was looking to setup my first 5.1 Dolby Digital home theater setup. I was peppering the sales guy with questions, in awe of the expensive systems like Mcintosh and others. When I asked about which Monster cables to buy, he saw I was young and said "Don't waste your money on that, go to Radioshack and get their high-end cables, the connectors are gold and will sound the same". Lets be clear, I have experienced what people consider burn in. Here's just one example, a few months ago I was listening to a lot of rock music with my Sony MDR-1A's, these headphones have a nice amount of sub bass. Around that time I ordered a pair of V-Moda Crossfade 2 wireless headphones. When they arrived, I thought the overall sound was nothing like what I had read online, sound stage seemed narrow, highs muddied, mid's slightly more detailed but sub-bass was almost non-existent. Over time I found the Crossfade 2's weren't so bad, bass got a bit better (burn in?). A few months later Slickdeals had the Crossfade 2's on sale over on Amazon. I ordered them, maybe I had a defective pair I thought, if so I could return them. When they arrived they sounded EXACTLY the same as the ones I got directly from V-Moda, Five months later and the new set sounds exactly like they did the day I unboxed them, did Amazon burn in my cans? I enjoy good tight sub-bass with certain genres and that is what my brain was expecting after the Sony's. At the end of the day, the sounds you hear are still processed by our all powerful brain. http://www.brainfacts.org/Archives/2012/The-Power-of-the-Placebo

May 2, 2019

D1ScottHi D' There are no machines calibrated to measure burn in - (Please check out PS Audio's Youtube channel) In general though i would say.. I don't ignore. There is not enough scope, time or space to discuss everything in detail. Much better to do it person but we cannot :/ I agree in that the mind and the object is always related. Also, of course the current 'state' of our mind can effect how we hear things. As I say though, over many years I have often experienced a change in certain qualities of the sound signature of headphones form Out of The Box to [lets say] 100 hours of use later. During burn in I have always used the same device/music and time intervals to listen. You can say what you want, point me to written articles from the internet (which these days people seem to treat with Godlike authority) but at the end of the day I have done and continue to experience burn in. Im sorry but that is my experience. If people are upset with this then I can only apologise but may I suggest that just because someone EXPERIENCES something you do not...its OK. If this upsets you enough and you have not developed enough enough as a human adult to fell you have to inform this person publically on a forum that they are WRONG purely because the mighty you have not experienced the same thing then I wish to have nothing to do with you. Frankly it is the dumbest and most ignorant argument you could have - 'well i haven't experienced so there fore it is not true and you are wrong' ??? Seriously? If on the other hand you have the mature open mind of someone who thinks and asks - 'my experience is different to yours, how interesting - can you explain more' Then lets have a great and interesting conversation

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May 3, 2019

lexsOkay now you're just being ridiculous. "It saddens me that people like you just can't accept and be happy for people with opposing experiences to your precious own." Is the one damn line I should be telling you right now. And why are you even blaming me for tightly holding onto a negative base opinion? Stop bitching and give everyone evidence. It's not up to us to disprove your positive claim especially when you don't have evidence in the first place. Or you know. I could just wrap this up and just not deal with a burn-in cable conspiracist.

May 3, 2019

NanokillzxI agree - I also haven't experienced 'cable burn in' But I am happy to accept that those who do claim to have experienced it are telling the truth. Why should I ask them for 'proof' ??

factsvsfeelings

Aug 18, 2019

NanokillzxYour firing a tantrum because someone does not like the sound signature of an IEM despite the fact that the reviewer was not bashing anyone for thinking otherwise. Only see you doing the bitching here bud, sorry now there are some exceptions if you look at the review of audio technicha latest cans the top reveiw is saying if you like bright song 'YOU ARE A WASTE' of course these reviews are the problem blatant attacks on the individuality of other peoples ears. He does not need proof for the personal expereince he has had with his ears. Or do you think he is saying negative things just to be 'Edgy' you think he is intentionally trying to slander the product or trying to hate the headphones even though he spent his money on them? Do not be ridiculous.

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