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Kavik
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Nov 26, 2018
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Wow..... After the shit show we had here last time around, i can't believe they piggy backed this new blue box with different options onto the same product page So, if the base is now CPM-S110v, how is S30V an upgrade?
Nov 26, 2018
Brand
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Nov 26, 2018
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Yeah I prefer the way they had it. Sub $100 and better steps on the upgrades.
Nov 26, 2018
Notsurewhyibother
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Nov 26, 2018
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The S110v lightweight (FRN scales) retails for less than the S30v/G10 model, so upgrade...I guess. Personally, I would rather have the better steel, but that's just me. Particularly since due to "CQI" the G10 models have lost their steel liners, you aren't really getting a more robust knife, just a subjectively more attractive one.
Nov 26, 2018
Kavik
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Nov 26, 2018
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Sorry, but what's CQI? Yeah, i wasn't questioning MD so much as Spyderco here. Their pricing model is getting screwier and screwier, when they can throw on a much cheaper steel, but upgrade a plastic handle and still convince people that the value has somehow gone up 🤔 And so many people eat it up, and buy every version of the particular model...i just don't get it
Nov 26, 2018
Rosebud41
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Nov 26, 2018
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The Continuous Quality Improvement process whereby Spyderco changes stuff in models, allegedly for the better. Sometimes there are arguments over what is "better"! As this case shows...
Nov 26, 2018
Rosebud41
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Nov 26, 2018
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Yeah, this ruins the drop for me. Your most likely upgrade is to a worse steel --- well, the 110 vs 30 debate is a hot one (edge keeping vs ease of sharpening), but for me, I have a lot of S30 blades and don't really need another one. So with my luck, I'd get the "upgrade" I don't want!
Nov 26, 2018
Kavik
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Nov 26, 2018
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I've yet to try S110, it's the only thing that got me remotely interested in looking at this, but I wouldn't want most of the "upgrades" either. But technically they say even S30V should be sharpened on diamond, due to the hardness of the vanadium particles and risk of tear out by using any stones trust can't cut it. Is S110 really THAT much harder to sharpen if you're using diamond anyway?
Nov 26, 2018
Rosebud41
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Nov 26, 2018
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Don't have S110 myself (hence the potential appeal of this drop, until MD blew it up...) but many users claim it's a lengthy and difficult process even with hand held diamonds. Machine with diamond belts seems to be the best choice, unless one is very good at freehand, has good diamonds, and a LOT of time... https://knife.wickededgeusa.com/forums/topic/cpm-s110v/
Nov 26, 2018
Rosebud41
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Nov 26, 2018
Kavik
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Nov 26, 2018
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Thanks for the links. Just skimmed quickly, lots of opinions on both sides, will have to read through more later
Nov 26, 2018
Rosebud41
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It's also reputed to be "chippy", but again many opinions on that. Still, as "supersteels" go, S110 is more controversial than say M390 or CPM 20CV, but is also cheaper and a bit easier to find in the market, especially on Massdrop where most upgraded steel is usually S35VN.
Nov 26, 2018
Notsurewhyibother
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Nov 26, 2018
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Exactly. Losing the steel liners and changing to S30v from S35vn in the g10 native are dubious at best "improvements". Particularly since there is already a lightweight version of the knife for folks that want to forgo liners for weight reasons. Sometimes the CQI is really an improvement. They changed the Spydiechef from a steel detent ball to a ceramic one to make it entirely stainless, that was a in production change that was a definite improvement.
Nov 26, 2018
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