BM-16S Programmable Macro Pad (Choc Switches)
BM-16S Programmable Macro Pad (Choc Switches)
bookmark_border
Where's the price?
To negotiate the best possible price for our customers, we agree to hide prices prior to logging in.
125 Sold
Product Description
If you have room for it, a mini pad makes an excellent companion to your keyboard. This kit comes with everything you need to build your own, including 16 low-profile Kailh Choc switches ... Read More

search
m28m
23
May 21, 2019
bookmark_border
Any other site that sells this?? I missed out.
May 21, 2019
Sandalwood
4
May 18, 2019
bookmark_border
It would be nice if the listing told more about the switches than their color. I ended up getting most of the information from NovelKeys, but I can’t find anything about the black switches... here it is if anybody else needs this: Red - Linear 50g White - Clicky 50g Dark Yellow - Linear 70g Burnt Orange - Tactile 70g Pale Blue - Clicky 70g
May 18, 2019
Outplayzz
0
May 18, 2019
bookmark_border
What are all the switches that are compatable with this
May 18, 2019
Sandalwood
4
May 18, 2019
bookmark_border
Kailh makes 8 that I know of. Search “Kailh low profile”, there are a few online stores that carry them.
May 18, 2019
m28m
23
May 17, 2019
bookmark_border
no white color option is sad
May 17, 2019
canyoudig
13
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
With these hotswappable switches, can you plug in regular MX stem switches? I know it'll make the profile much higher, but just asking.
May 14, 2019
erickong
2975
Mech Keys Moderator
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
No. The metal contacts are in a different position
May 14, 2019
HellJumper406
0
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
I think it looks really nice, Waiting till August to get it not so nice....
May 14, 2019
mk415
256
May 15, 2019
bookmark_border
This is pretty standard for mechanical keyboard drops in general
May 15, 2019
oberman
5
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
Bad design, how do I stop myself from picking it up and eating it???
May 14, 2019
mjoseph97
63
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
How do you program the keys, and where can i find my information about the product? "BM Workshop" and "BM Workshop keyboards" google searches just bring up BMW repair shops.
May 14, 2019
Beton
1
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
If it's anything like BM16A (normal cherry mx-like switch variant), then it's programmable via QMK firmware.
May 14, 2019
MountainPass
168
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
Under "Specs", it says "Fully programmable with macros (QMK supported)". So you can use QMK software to program it.
May 14, 2019
fvae
8
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
Do I need to solder or do anything other than snap together stuff? Does programming allow for multikey macros with time delays? Whats the onboard memory/max keystroke limit for each key?
May 14, 2019
erickong
2975
Mech Keys Moderator
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
It is hot swappable so no solder is necessary. Just snap everything together and tighten some screws
May 14, 2019
Kwyzar
0
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
Can this be programed as a MIDI controller for music?
May 14, 2019
XenoMuse
61
May 15, 2019
bookmark_border
You can use software to convert standard keyboard to midi events, so yes. It may take some programming to make it do what YOU want, but there is software to do this. https://www.quora.com/Can-you-use-a-computer-keyboard-as-a-MIDI-controller
(Edited)
May 15, 2019
ashiraki
165
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
are the switches hot-swap? In the picture of the bottom of the pcb it looks like a hot swap socket
May 14, 2019
ashiraki
165
May 15, 2019
bookmark_border
oh yah i missed that! are choc sockets compatible with regular mx style?
May 15, 2019
Liberty
235
May 15, 2019
bookmark_border
May 15, 2019
bioport
4
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
Anyone have details on the black choc switches. The only thing I can find says they are the same as reds.
May 14, 2019
CarlQs
25
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
https://youtu.be/1P_ucdyi1ms long story short red, yellow, and black are short throw linears, yellow being middle weight and black being heavier, and the clickbar on the blues and whites give them a nice tactility and sound. choc burnt orange are notable for having a bit of a deeper sound and having the tactile event at the top of the travel and not the middle https://www.kailhswitch.com/mechanical-keyboard-switches/low-profile-key-switches/burnt-orange-switch.html, brown are more traditional tactiles with a little bump
May 14, 2019
bioport
4
May 15, 2019
bookmark_border
Thanks, I wanna try these blacks now!
May 15, 2019
sulvaat
0
Apr 20, 2019
bookmark_border
A question about the hardware itself: Does it give any indication that it's working when you plug it in before initial firmware flash? I have assembled mine but, when I plug it in, no windows "new device found" sound, no detection in QMK, toolbox nothing in device manager. Also no lights, though I don't know if that is by design. Trying to figure out if I got a lemon.
Apr 20, 2019
sulvaat
0
Apr 20, 2019
bookmark_border
This was exactly the issue. Thanks for the help!
Apr 20, 2019
Orangutang
9
Apr 26, 2019
bookmark_border
Curious to why that’s happening. Mine will do USB-C to USB-C on my desktop I use it exclusively on an iPad though, and i found that USB-C to USB-C won’t work there, so I use an adaptor chain and it recognizes it (iPad) > (USB-C to USB Adaptor) > (USB to USB-C Cable) > BM16S
(Edited)
Apr 26, 2019
thebontakun
3
Apr 20, 2019
bookmark_border
I’m working on getting it into the main QMK repo so it’ll be easier to work on in the future, please be patient it is my first time contributing to QMK. https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/pull/5659
Apr 20, 2019
spirosag
33
May 15, 2019
bookmark_border
Any chance to also have it compilable in something like https://kbfirmware.com/ ?
May 15, 2019
thebontakun
3
May 15, 2019
bookmark_border
There is a walkthrough posted here by Orangutang below on how to use that site actually
May 15, 2019
Orangutang
9
Apr 18, 2019
bookmark_border
Got mine to work, staring shamelessly in awe at the RGB now! First QMK and I want to post and help other noobs like myself if possible. My success stems completely from "textonly" and "blacksunix"posts under the BM-16A drop discussions https://www.massdrop.com/buy/bm-16a-16-key-programmable-mini-pad-kit/talk/2331792 READ these. The only changes I made were to use the json layout files for the BM-16S from the Google Drive Get: QMK Toolbox from Github, install it Get: the default JSON and instructions from manufacturer Google Drive. This is on their Aliexpress page for the BM-16A as mentioned by "jf647" here. So you can just search for it as well.
  • I used https://kbfirmware.com/ to modify my layout. Upload the "BM16S.json" file from the manufacturer Google Drive pack into kbfirmware.com
  • This loads the basic layout in kbfirmware.com. Customize it
  • Backup your json if you wish under the Settings tab. Then go to the Compile tab and export the ".Hex" file and load it into QMK Toolbox. Make sure the right chip is correctly selected in the toolbox UI
  • Connect the board to the computer. I shorted the reset pins, labeled "RE" next to the smaller of the board chips, with a pair of needle nose pliers. Definitely gonna solder and run an external switch there at some point...
  • The keypad will be put into DFU mode with this reset, and will then be visible in the QMK Toolbox console. Here you can flash your custom Hex file to the board
  • Unplug, replug
Again, me noob, much to learn, go to sources
(Edited)
Apr 18, 2019
Mittrei
0
Apr 26, 2019
bookmark_border
Do you know how to change the led colour, that's the only part I couldn't figure out
Apr 26, 2019
Orangutang
9
Apr 26, 2019
bookmark_border
Program a key or a key layer to use the QMK codes for RGB Lighting, (RGB_HUI) and (RGB_HUD) for Hue Increase and Hue Decrease. Bunch of other commands in there as well. Check here https://beta.docs.qmk.fm/reference/keycodes
Apr 26, 2019
jf647
4
Apr 15, 2019
bookmark_border
Does anyone know what keyboard this is in the qmk firmware repo? There is a keyboards/bm16a, but the pictures of the PCB looks different from the MD images. From the BM16A page I found a listing on AliExpress that leads to a Google Drive with firmware files. There are two separate files for BM16A and BM16S (so that's at least a good signal that the same developer makes both keypads), but there are material differences between them:
  • the number of RGB LEDS - 4 in the 16A and 16 in the 16S
  • the controller pin definitions (e.g. the 16A uses pins D3, D5, D1, D2 for the first row whereas the 16S uses D1, D0, D3, D2.
Any idea where to start hacking on a custom keymap prior to this arriving (hopefully with more detailed instructions)?
Apr 15, 2019
donatj
54
Apr 18, 2019
bookmark_border
I just got mine tonight and am wondering the same thing.
Apr 18, 2019
Vardelys
10
Apr 10, 2019
bookmark_border
Any updates on the shipping delay on this?
Apr 10, 2019
delbo
3
Apr 12, 2019
bookmark_border
I just got notified that mine was shipping. Sounds like they’ll be in our hands soon. :)
Apr 12, 2019
Vardelys
10
Apr 12, 2019
bookmark_border
Yep! Got shipping notification last night. 😀
Apr 12, 2019
delbo
3
Apr 4, 2019
bookmark_border
FYI. Just got an email saying this project was delayed. Bummer. 
Apr 4, 2019
delbo
3
Mar 21, 2019
bookmark_border
Is there any update on this project? We’re getting close to Apr 3.
Mar 21, 2019
Cente
0
Apr 1, 2019
bookmark_border
It seems like no issues were happen on the production of this keypad, I will take it as an accomplish that it will be shipped in 2 days, lol
Apr 1, 2019
delbo
3
Apr 1, 2019
bookmark_border
lol, yes, I’m hoping these will ship soon.
Apr 1, 2019
Cente
0
Mar 20, 2019
bookmark_border
Dying to have mine keypad!!
Mar 20, 2019
KUNGPAO
1
Jan 21, 2019
bookmark_border
Is this pre assembled? Can i add leds later if i want?
Jan 21, 2019
arff
15
Jan 17, 2019
bookmark_border
No RGB underglow is pictured but descriptions says it is supported? Does that mean the PCB supports underglow but the case does not?
Jan 17, 2019
TipsyMacScotchslurpen
322
Jan 17, 2019
bookmark_border
I'm curious whether it would be possible to replace the Kaihl Choc compatible hotswap sockets with Cherry MX compatible sockets. I'm comfortable with the idea of unsoldering and soldering in new sockets if the sockets' solder pads are layed out in the same places. Also, the holes in the PCB would need to match. I guess a normal person would just go looking for a different product, but I do like the look and square layout of this one. I would, of course, try out the switches and may decide they are fine, but it would be good to have options should I not like them.
Jan 17, 2019
TipsyMacScotchslurpen
322
Jan 19, 2019
bookmark_border
That's too bad. If I were manufacturing hotswap sockets for both of my switch types, I would make them so that they soldered to the same footprint in the PCB so that anyone who wanted to build keyboards could simply run off thousands of PCBs, then choose which switch type they supported simply by changing the type of hotswap socket. I guess Kaihl don't give a crap about their corporate customers. :P
Jan 19, 2019
jwordfish
56
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
There’s no room on the pcb for both sockets (they’d overlap) and a custom hot swap socket for both pin outs isn’t a trivial design challenge. It sounds like a cool idea but the reason it doesn’t exist isn’t because kaihua doesn’t care about their customers.
May 14, 2019
donatj
54
Jan 17, 2019
bookmark_border
Are the hot swappable sockets Cherry compatible?
Jan 17, 2019
Capsy
4
Jan 17, 2019
bookmark_border
Nope.
Jan 17, 2019
Capsy
4
Jan 17, 2019
bookmark_border
Anyone has any guide on the kailh choc switches? I'd like to know the specs of each color for the switches mentioned here.
Jan 17, 2019
VadimGut
5
Jan 18, 2019
bookmark_border
you should really adopt stackoverflow mentality and attach a link to the resource :)
Jan 18, 2019
UD98
11
Jan 20, 2019
bookmark_border
You can find the spec sheets here. It's the standard linear/tactile/clicky with 50 and 70g actuation force https://novelkeys.xyz/products/kailh-low-profile-switches
https://novelkeys.xyz/products/novelkeys-x-kailh-low-profile-heavys
Jan 20, 2019
mullinz
27
Jan 17, 2019
bookmark_border
Would it be possible to see a side by side of the gray with the CTRL keyboard?
Jan 17, 2019
cdog911
7
Jan 17, 2019
bookmark_border
This would be perfect if it was wireless (still tempting) Not sure why nobody seems to make a wireless macro pad yet. I've been using a wireless mechanical number pad instead.
Jan 17, 2019
cdog911
7
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
True. I'd have been ok with a non LED solution. I ended up picking up an Elgato Stream Deck for my macros.
May 14, 2019
jwordfish
56
May 14, 2019
bookmark_border
Dang that's a hella good price for LCD keys, assuming this site showing it for $80 is legit
(Edited)
May 14, 2019
bfitz
334
Jan 17, 2019
bookmark_border
Are the hotswap sockets compatible with regular MX switches
Jan 17, 2019
nedwards
102
Jan 18, 2019
bookmark_border
An Ergodox or Iris might be right for you!
Jan 18, 2019
SuchFNS
1
Jan 21, 2019
bookmark_border
Check out dygma.com they are basically head on with what you are asking for. Essentially two separate "pads" that can connect together to form a keyboard, multiple thumb keys where the space bar would go, with the main downside being that its quite a bit pricey, but definitely something unique.
Jan 21, 2019
keyboard_arrow_up
Newest
82 OF 82 POSTS
May 21, 2019
keyboard_arrow_down
Oldest
Recent Activity