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211bma
67
Jan 15, 2019
This is a passable machine but I personally would not buy a machine with a built in grinder.
LQDForce
538
Jan 15, 2019
211bmathen what else are you left with? to make *real* espresso you need to extract oils from coffee beans. no, Nespresso doesn't count.. it IS coffee. but it's not Espresso, and you are not George Clooney... ;)
nismo270r
44
Jan 15, 2019
LQDForceThere are plenty of high quality espresso machines out there in all price ranges that do not have a built in grinder. The grinder is the most important part of the equation. Built-in grinders will get the job done, but just not as well as a dedicated quality espresso grinder.
LQDForce
538
Jan 15, 2019
nismo270rtrue, even a basic manual machine and half a decent grinder will get you a much, much better espresso. most would say incomparable even. I don't dispute your claim. but it requires technique, patience and lots of trial and error - which often leads to excessive waste of coffee beans, electricity and water. also, say goodbye to at least $1500 for a decent set, not to mention accessories.. and know that it's a dangerous path.. you'll soon find yourself spending way more than you'd possibly think. like, a two grouphead lever machine self-imported from Italy, a zero-retention manual,mechanical grinder and a whole setup of bean roasters and gadgets to roast your own coffee... stop reading. don't open this pandora box... don't be me. buy an automatic machine ;)
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nismo270r
44
Jan 15, 2019
LQDForceNo need to explain the rabbit hole to me, lol. I'm a dedicated coffee nut as well and it's taken me several years to settle on equipment and not have the "upgradeitis" bug. Once I did settle though, it is nice not to think about the gear side of it anymore. It's now just honing the skill as one would with any hobby. I think the dangerous part comes when people don't realize how much can go into making real espresso at home and don't have the time or patience to want to deal with all the intricacies. Some approach it with the idea they just want good coffee at home, while others look at it as a hobby. That's the beauty of it all though...there's something out there for everyone.
LQDForce
538
Jan 15, 2019
nismo270rwell said :)
Tainen
12
Jan 15, 2019
nismo270rthe grinder in this unit is a conical burr grinder. Fantastic grinder. I've had this machine and it's predecessor for 5+ years, grinder has been literally PERFECT, no issues, extremely well built.
211bma
67
Jan 15, 2019
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LQDForce
538
Jan 15, 2019
211bmaI love the Ceado :) excellent grinder! but the fact you've installed Eric's thermometer and have a bloody measuring glass on your cupwarmer instantly proves my point lol. it takes a lot of time and effort to get a good cup of coffee. manual machine is not for everyone. not everybody want to learn how to be a barista. they just want a good cup of coffee when they wake up - without making a fuss of it. The Breville does just that. and it also lets you switch to semi-auto when you want to play with it and go manual. p.s are you single dosing? why have you not replaced the hopper?
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211bma
67
Jan 15, 2019
LQDForceI never use the measuring glass I just don't know where to keep it, I think that the Breville is a good machine, I just would buy it with the grinder built in.
211bma
67
Jan 15, 2019
211bmaI would not buy it with the grinder built in.