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What is the difference between Nova and Orion ?
Orion has 1 driver, this has 2.
I've seen glowing reviews for Andromeda but can't find too much on the nova...
That's because it hasn't officially been sold yet, hence the launch part of this drop. This is literally brand new, fresh off the assembly goodness right here.
it's no newer than the Andromeda which does have reviews. Beta testers. It's just they all tested the highest end version and didn't care about the lower nova.
yeah but without detailed reviews coming from objective people (right now the only reviews are done by people wanting us to buy these) it's hard to get a good picture on them no? The more I think about it this kind of company practice seems dishonest. Buy now 160 dollars off! Will be 500 after so hurry and buy! But is it even worth 500? Obviously it's only worth 340 from the get-go and we know how easy it is to slap hand-made onto the item (because a machinist presses a button).
In all reality I'd only buy these if say
a.) there were more reviews
b.) the price would be this low on multiple drops or sales
it isn't really quite fair to bait customers into a purchase otherwise this is basically kickstarter kind of tactics.
by no means am I saying they are bad but it's too big a price to buy on pure faith alone especially with the ZERO return policy. I'd rather buy these off amazon at 500 and return them if they didn't meet my expectations rather than be 343.5 dollars out. Better yet I'd rather buy these off amazon for 340 and return them if I didn't like them.
Well to be fair, pre order bonuses are a pretty common practice, and not just in audio, so I wouldn't single them out for being "dishonest". I do agree about the other point though, I generally wait until a product is out in the market and available to more reviewers, rather than a selected few, before taking those reviews seriously.
But personally, I have had friends use the higher end Campfire gear (the Jupiter especially), and they've had nothing but great stuff to say about it. And these are guys who are probably even more obsessed about portable gear than I am, so I give their opinions serious consideration. If this retains some of the same DNA, should be decent at the least.
Edit: Also, looking back at it, I feel you meant to reply to the guy who commented after me, but it's all good :)
Actually, the reviews I quoted are from Head-fi members who didn't wax enraptured over the Novas. What's untrustworthy about their comments is not any proprietary interest but rather the lack of time spent with the product and the dearth of detailed impressions. One of the writers listened for a total of five minutes. He said that he preferred the Orions; I think he's posted here as well.
No one seems to have tried and rated the Novas with different kinds of music over a sustained period of time -- not yet, anyway. And the Novas are too different from the Orions for reviews of the latter to count.
However, a reviewer on Headpie will be posting his impressions of the Novas tomorrow.
I'm pretty sure machines aren't soldering the 2 balanced armatures together with those tiny wires and then placing them, precisely, into the shells. So there's that....
pretty sure 500 is steep for 2 armatures?
plenty of universal dual BA's around, even some customs like UE 4's at this price range. Plus they have much more reviews available. I'm still gonna check these out again when the reviews start appearing in future but giving preorder a miss for sure.
Headpie got some promo ones sent to them that they did an unboxing of earlier today or yesterday. They said review to follow. I don't know how impartial they are but if they have a good in-depth review out before this drop ends I might consider it.
Well let's see. The Noble Savants have 2 Balanced Armatures (BA) and they sell for $600.00 or the Wizard designed Savants for $800.00. Oh and Final Audio Sells a single BA iem for $1000.00. You have to remember that it's not totally about the driver count rather the final tuning. I agree though that $500.00 is nothing to sneeze at. For the price it is now I am comfortable buying the Nova blindly because of the apparent build quality and Camp Fire Audio's track record in the iem niche.
In the interest of clarification, the Nova's are not like the Noble Savants or most dual balanced armature drivers in that there is no crossover circuit. That is, both drivers are full range. In theory, and tuning and other design aspects aside (a big aside) each driver in a multiple balanced armature design with crossovers only receive a portion of the frequency range, allowing them to play with less distortion, letting them sound more detailed. The trade off, again in theory and ignoring other factors, is that the crossover circuitry itself can create imbalances across the frequency range and create a lack of cohesion, etc. Whereas a full range driver will suffer more distortion due to the demand to reproduce a wider frequency range, potentially robbing detail in certain scenarios.
If tuned the same (which I doubt they are exactly), the Nova should sound like a fuller/thicker, though potentially slightly more flabby and less refined Orion, creating a warmer sound with better, or at least more, bass. But because of the full range design, I wouldn't expect a full-range driver config (as in the Orion and Nova) to achieve the same degree of separation and detail overall as a properly implemented multi-driver design that uses crossovers (e.g., Noble Savants - though I've never heard either myself).
That said, the Nova's could be great for someone looking for a lusher sound, while still achieving a bit of detail advantage a balanced armature driver gives over your average dynamic driver.
yeah and ultimate ears as the company history and millions in tech to create their CIEMs
suit yourself. I see campfire audio iems on head-fi all the time for resell, and the thing that scares me is because there's a reason for it. And it's just okay for Wizard to sell high.
Well let me say this; I have in my possession the Campfire Audio Andromedas. My preorder arrived today. They have a reference level tuning that is extended yet detailed. I love that it is revealing but not fatiguing for my longer listening sessions. I am expecting a mid-centric tuning with the Nova which will be nice as I am a Grado fan as well. Either way this drop presents a great value and I'm sure the sound signature will be punching above other dual BA drivers configured iems.
You lost me on the Grados :p Jokes aside, have you got/had any time with the Jupiter? I have a few friends who rave about it, very curious how they compare to the Andromeda. Will try to audition both side by side when possible.
The question is *which* CA IEMs you see resold: all of them or only certain models. If the Orion's the model you see resold the most, then *that* could factor into buying decisions re the Nova,
I have not heard the Jupiters unfortunately. I read that the Jupiters have a dip in the upper mids though that has been corrected with the Andromeda.
honestly I don't know. Not too familiar with campfire I just know I browse the resells all the time on headfi and that word pops up a lot
these are already kind of a pricey drop for the wallet, can't see the point as for this price the westones are going to be unbeatable but i'd rather go customs