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CarbonTactics
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CarbonTactics_Mike
Nov 5, 2016
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@Ericb The carbon buckle does not set off metal detectors.
TheJame
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Nov 6, 2016
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CarbonTacticsI'm really tempted to get one of these just to thwart the TSA.
ChuckDee
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Jan 8, 2017
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TheJameFrom just going overseas... it causes more problems than it solves. I've had them get belligerent when I tell them I don't have a belt to take off. And even when I explain that it's just carbon fiber, they don't listen. It might be TSA friendly, but the TSA sure doesn't know it.
Mario.Paul
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Jan 8, 2017
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ChuckDeeMore like metal detector friendly. Those guys are morons
NorthernHarrier
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Jan 8, 2017
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Mario.PaulThey're not morons, they're required to NOT take your word at face value when you say your belt is non-metallic. They don't have time to physically examine each belt buckle. Try to imagine being responsible for preventing terrorists from murdering people every day, and maybe you can empathize with the TSA folks, who have a huge responsibility and very little pay.
Mario.Paul
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Jan 8, 2017
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NorthernHarrierHow about they let you walk through the metal detector to find out if it's metallic? I know, hard concept. And that's bullshit, they are well known for harassing and abusing people while having abysmal detection rates by data from Homeland Security and the TSA themselves.
NorthernHarrier
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Jan 8, 2017
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Mario.PaulLetting someone walk through a metal detector to determine if a belt is metallic, then having to disrupt the whole line and cause further delays when a belt proves to be metallic, or requiring a hand examination, is not possible in real life. We are talking about real life here.
Personal insults directed at me and the individuals who work for the TSA and the American people are not at all helpful to your argument - and they underline your own character problems rather than add weight to what you are saying about the issue we were discussing. Comments about harassment or abuse are not relevant and not supported by the data, anyway.
Personal insults directed at me and the individuals who work for the TSA and the American people are not at all helpful to your argument - and they underline your own character problems rather than add weight to what you are saying about the issue we were discussing. Comments about harassment or abuse are not relevant and not supported by the data, anyway.
Mario.Paul
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Jan 8, 2017
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NorthernHarrierNot by data, but by thousands of people's anecdotes. The data only outlines the TSA's innefectiveness. You're right, my insult in the first comment was uncalled for and I apologise for that. I still think there needs to be more oversight and competition but we are off topic now so let's leave it at that.
warchyld67
Jan 8, 2017
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ChuckDeenothing is TSA friendly because the TSA isnt friendly ,they are minimum wage security guards without the security guard training or certification...all attitude no responsibility. they will jack with you JUST because it isnt metal...just expect to be detained and scrutinized just for wearing it. even us FAA officers dont like them or the system
ChuckDee
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Jan 9, 2017
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Mario.PaulAnd the funny thing is, when I just didn't say anything about it, just that I had taken everything off that I needed to take off, it worked. It was only when they asked me specific questions and I was tired that I ran afoul of it. The difference between:
"You have to take everything off and put it in the bin." "I did." "OK."
"You have to take everything off and put it in the bin." "I did." "No belt?" "A travel belt. It hasn't set anything off before now in the other 7 trips." "You still have to take it off."
After which holding up the line while I took it off, which is more time than if they'd just let me go through.
"You have to take everything off and put it in the bin." "I did." "OK."
"You have to take everything off and put it in the bin." "I did." "No belt?" "A travel belt. It hasn't set anything off before now in the other 7 trips." "You still have to take it off."
After which holding up the line while I took it off, which is more time than if they'd just let me go through.
warchyld67
Jan 11, 2017
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ChuckDeerobotic procedures .anything that doesnt follow their script will only confuse and piss them off .they are not hired to THINK only to follow a specific protocol.
warchyld67
Jan 11, 2017
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NorthernHarriertry to imagine thinking for yourself and using common sense, instead of following rigid protocols that do not take into account anything out of their little box. THAT is the TSA .a waste of taxpayer money time patience and intelligence...the TSA has not stopped ANY terrorist attack to this date. 20+ years as an FAA criminal investigator shows me this whats YOUR experience?
warchyld67
Jan 11, 2017
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TheJameit wont, it will just piss them off and cause you to be delayed. cant change procedures , they are pre programmed. get it because its a good belt. ...you will still have to take it off at the checkpoint.
NorthernHarrier
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Jan 11, 2017
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warchyld67Try to imagine not being presumptuous about what people think - you have no idea what I think. As for my experience, I can't tell you in a public forum, but I can describe it as federal law enforcement and security. As for the facts, it is ridiculous to assert that the TSA has never stopped a terrorist act - because if they were not there, there surely would have been many more such acts. In addition, they have stopped many people from taking guns and knives aboard commercial aircraft.
warchyld67
Jan 12, 2017
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NorthernHarrierlol cant talk about it? let me guess its super secret squirrel stuff. ? or is this like fight club? lol okay super guard. yeah if they were not there ,surely unicorns and rainbows would be? WOW that argument has no logic nor FACT Basis anywhere. there were just as many many STOPPED taking guns into the secured areas BEFORE the TSA . been there before and during. where were you? so far you got no credibility and its rapidly sinking into the negatives. stop before you really sound stupid oh wait...nm . whatever ,agent zero
NorthernHarrier
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Jan 12, 2017
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warchyld67Like I said before, insults are not valid arguments. You also changed the subject again - as you can't refute the facts I mentioned. I'm not going to argue off-topic with you anymore - so you can continue to wallow in your smug bs.
warchyld67
Jan 12, 2017
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NorthernHarrierPROMISE? oh and what qualifies your sad opinions as facts? go play fight club special agent on some other social media where that bs might actually float . and look of the definition of "fact" while youre at it
warchyld67
Jan 12, 2017
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NorthernHarrieryour whole comment line has been OFF TOPIC. thanks for playing
warchyld67
Jan 12, 2017
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NorthernHarrieras for cant talk about it in a public forum the ONLY kind of profession that COULDNT talk about it in a public forum wouldnt even bring it into it to begin with, in fact they would deny being affiliated with it at all. your deflection is bogus. you sir are a fake and a liar. let me guess you practice stolen honor on twitter of Facebook as well?
Bablat
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Jan 13, 2017
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NorthernHarrierI disagree.
I've visited dozens of airports around the world and so had to go through security in various countries, most of the time being late as well...
TSA is by far the least effective and most annoying of them all. Fly to Israel and see how quickly you can get from check-in to gate without taking your shoes or belt off, while holding a bottle of water! You can imagine that Israelis have to deal with real security threats to that airport.
Also, I bought this belt and it's simply too stiff to use. Taking it off is too complex.
I bought two specifically for airport travel. The inconvenience avoided once at the security line is nothing compared to the inconvenience experienced every single time you need to pee in a 20 hour voyage...
I've visited dozens of airports around the world and so had to go through security in various countries, most of the time being late as well...
TSA is by far the least effective and most annoying of them all. Fly to Israel and see how quickly you can get from check-in to gate without taking your shoes or belt off, while holding a bottle of water! You can imagine that Israelis have to deal with real security threats to that airport.
Also, I bought this belt and it's simply too stiff to use. Taking it off is too complex.
I bought two specifically for airport travel. The inconvenience avoided once at the security line is nothing compared to the inconvenience experienced every single time you need to pee in a 20 hour voyage...
NorthernHarrier
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Jan 13, 2017
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BablatYour comment doesnt address what I actually said. More relevant is the fact that last year the TSA at Washington DC area airports confiscated over 30% more guns than the year before that (a record number) - and the year before last year saw a new record number of gun confiscations. So, it isn't entirely accurate to claim that they were the same or worse at protecting passengers as when the TSA wasn't there, as claimed by another poster. And annoyance is a very subjective and indistinct measure of performance.
Bablat
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Jan 13, 2017
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NorthernHarrierI would agree with a relative improvement in the end result, but I cannot attribute any of that to forcing old ladies to take their shoes off or confiscating half empty bottles of expansive perfume.
prongATO
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Jan 13, 2017
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NorthernHarrierWait... isn't this about belts?! Okay, now I'll shut the troll up for you guys.
The TSA is absolutely worthless. In a recent test they sent 70 passengers through with prohibited items and all but 3 were detected. I'd say that them letting 95% of the things they don't want on an airline a total and utter failure.
Here's an article that MIGHT make you think a little safer on a flight but if you think you're safe on a TSA screened flight, you're only safe because enough passengers would kill the hijackers.
https://travelersunited.org/commentary/do-tsas-impressive-2015-statistics-indicate-success-or-failure/
The TSA is absolutely worthless. In a recent test they sent 70 passengers through with prohibited items and all but 3 were detected. I'd say that them letting 95% of the things they don't want on an airline a total and utter failure.
Here's an article that MIGHT make you think a little safer on a flight but if you think you're safe on a TSA screened flight, you're only safe because enough passengers would kill the hijackers.
https://travelersunited.org/commentary/do-tsas-impressive-2015-statistics-indicate-success-or-failure/
warchyld67
Jan 14, 2017
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prongATOits actually closer to 97 percent failure. but yeah they are a waste of time and taxpayer dollars.
warchyld67
Jan 14, 2017
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prongATOyou're wasting your time , i believe Northern Harrier is one of those super secret tsa "security" screeners. needs to take his cue from fight club , first rule of tsa club dont talk about tsa club.
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