Cold Steel Frenzy S35VN Tri-Ad Lockback Knife Discussions | Drop

Apr 28, 2019

I am really wondering if MD is aware that there are now many states that do not allow a blade longer than 4". I would be arrested in the entire northeastern US if I was caught carrying this knife. Besides the uncompetitive price this knife is illegal in probably half of the country so why offer it when the market for it is greatly reduced by its size. Yet again MD gets their advertising wrong and mixes in a totally different knife in the pictures, who is running the show there, a bunch of kindergarteners?

Apr 28, 2019

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Apr 28, 2019

Spokes30I haven't seen a knife store that doesn't list knives everywhere.... Some stores might add a disclaimer like, "this knife might not be legal everywhere, be aware of laws, etc., etc.". In most places it's even legal to own knives, just not legal to carry them outside their home. So why wouldn't MD offer them to sell? As for the other complaints, I agree. They really are horrible at getting the right pictures description and competitive prices out there. It's really not their job to know if you can carry the knife legally, but it is to list the products correctly.

Apr 28, 2019

Apr 28, 2019

Jhova90MD is a business and thus to optimize their sales they should want to market products to the largest number of people that they can. Yes it is their job if they want to succeed to know what the size of the market is for a given product. Selling products that are not buyable by a lot of the country makes no business sense, especially when there are so many excellent choices out there. For example MD has a relationship with Bestech, they have three incredible smaller knives that are legal many more places and they do not list them. Kizer also appears to have a relationship, why not list more of their knives. No one except for cooking has use in their home for a folder greater than 4". I am certain that MD is offering knives that are overstock for manufacturers because they are not selling for the reasons we are discussing here. Remember MD only has so much listing space, similar to shelf space in a store, so why not optimize it? If you want a larger knife for hunting a fixed blade knife is much better than a folder which I am more accepting of to be listed. MD is making a lot of mistakes and my guess is loosing customers so why not choose product that has a broader market so you sell more which lowers prices. This is not rocket science, it is common business sense which MD often seems to be short on.

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Apr 28, 2019

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Apr 28, 2019

Spokes30Unless I'm mistaken, most of the places that have strict knife laws still allow people to own knives, just not carry them outside their home. So there is a market. I know many people who buy knives and/or swords just to collect them not ever carry them. While I might not get the point of buying something I can't carry or use, plenty of people do it. So massdrop is selling to the largest possible market. Even if it's only a market of one (hint: it's not), it's still a larger market.

Apr 28, 2019

Apr 28, 2019

Jhova90I do not agree, the market for useable knives is far larger than people who keep them in their home. There is nothing so collectable or unusual about this folder that we are giving comments on, I would not call it a collectors item like a custom knife would be. I am getting bored with MD offerings because it mostly has the knives that they purchased and they stay listed forever and thus there are only a few slots left for new product and it is being consumed with something that few can buy. My knife buying efforts has been moving elsewhere because MD is literally stuck in time with no new product that is buyable.

Apr 28, 2019

Apr 28, 2019

Spokes30This knife is perfectly legal in my state so why should mass drop only cater to buyers in states that limit knife lengths? If it is not legal for you don't buy it but don't try to impose your state laws on other people who are legally allowed to own and carry longer knives.

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Apr 28, 2019

Apr 28, 2019

Spokes30Selling a few of these should easily pay for more space to list items or pay someone to prune items a few years old, I don't get that issue at all. I would also agree that the market for usable knives is far larger than cheap collectors. But someone buys those garbage Chinese fantasy knives you see literally everywhere. That's not the point though either, the point is that there is a market. And if there is a market it makes sense for MD to sell there. I personally know someone who collects knives with red handles, it doesn't matter the price, they just like red handles on knives. I guess my point is that Massdrop has plenty of issues without making more up for them. If you don't like a knife don't buy it. If you don't like MD don't shop here. I don't really have an interest either way, except that I've found enough interesting things on here to keep coming back. I would rather they work on actual issues the site has rather than creating more for them.

Apr 28, 2019

Apr 28, 2019

Erik1Very selfish remark considering the hundreds of great choices out there that everyone can buy. I did not create my stupid state law so don't blame me for it. You are changing the entire argument and making it personal. I am talking about MD's business decision making to maximize profits, not about your state law. The point is clear, there are far more buyers of less than 4" length folders than for those greater than 4" and this is all that MD should care about in their decisions to list a product or not. MD is not a speciality knife dealer, they claim to cater to all buyers and should do this.

Apr 28, 2019

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Apr 28, 2019

Jhova90I am a business person and to maximize profit you want to offer a product that appeals to the largest market. Speciality markets will very unlikely create growth for a company like MD. You are ignoring that MD or any company has limited space and resources and thus it makes no sense for them to offer such market limited products as this greater than 4" blade folder. In addition to that they are now not changing up their offerings very frequently and they are having a ton of repeats. The site has become stale because of all of this and this is in addition to all the other problems of customer service, uncompetitive prices and wait times, incorrect advertising, etc. Myself and many others only use MD as a source of feedback and not actually buying the product there but again their new offerings have become so few that that has dried up too. I truthfully feel that MD has lost its premise of putting a large group together to buy at a discount, that idea has failed and they are floundering to find a new identity. Speciality offerings like this does not help their cause which is to be a viable business and not to only serve a speciality and limited group of collectors.

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Apr 28, 2019

Spokes30Listen, I didn't get into this to start an economics discussion. But since we're here, for a business person you seem to have a weird moving target for market. The market would be everywhere the knife can be sold as far as MD is concerned. If your getting after MD for selling to weird markets you've already lost. Fountain Pens, professional kitchen knives, raw denim jeans, lock picks, etc. I would argue that MDs whole goal is to bring niche items to a larger market. So your whole premise of not selling a large bladed folding knife on MD because carry laws are more strict in some areas is critically flawed. I mean we could discuss the cost of server space to list an item or whatever, but it's just not that expensive. Sure resources are limited, but I would easily bet that savings can be found much more efficiently elsewhere. As long as MD doesn't sell these at a loss it's worth it. BUT none of that is the point, all I'm saying is that MD has plenty of issues to worry about without creating more. The time and effort it would take to figure out specific carry laws in certain areas would be better spent elsewhere, like fixing description, pruning old drops and finding better deals for us. As long as MD can legally sell the knife in an area and that they don't sell them at a loss is all they need to be worrying about.

Apr 28, 2019

Apr 28, 2019

Spokes30Wtf? They should only cater to your preference and I am selfish? Idiot.

Apr 28, 2019

Apr 28, 2019

Erik1You are saying they should cater to you and maybe one or two other people while this knife is taking up a selling slot where a much more broad appeal knife could be listed and thus give MD the position with the manufacturer to negotiate a better deal for all. Yes that is being selfish and not good business for MD. It appears you have never run a business with employees and overhead. MD has to sell maybe 20 of these knives to stand still because they are covering costs to simply keep the lights on. It takes manpower, physical space for staff, warehousing, etc. to run a company, online or not, and that costs money if you sell something or not. Selling these speciality low demand products is never going to get MD the volume to buy at any kind of discount which was their original premise for the business. NO WHERE did MD ever express that their goal is to serve specialty markets. Yes this product is more specialized than cooking knives which is actually unbeknown to you quite a large market. You cannot get volume by listing low market demand products and it is low demand because the item is illegal many places. Instead of name calling why don't you turn your brain on and think about the bigger picture than just yourself. There are plenty of boutique knife dealers where you can get behemouth knives. MD, which needs volume to carry out its market plan, is not the right place. Having you and someone else to buy it is not going to make it profitable for them and give you any kind of special deal.

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Apr 28, 2019

Spokes30Dunning Kreuger in full effect with this one.

Apr 28, 2019

Apr 28, 2019

Erik1Which one has the Dunning Kreuger problem the other guy or me? I have been in business for over 40 years and have had 100's of employees, I think I have lived the challenges of running a business with employees and making payrolls. I am not so sure the other guy has, my guess is he has not since he thinks running a business has no costs and companies can take a loss on every product and thus have no thought as to what they carry to their bottom line. I hope the hope the other guy never goes into business because he will have a rude awakening.

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Apr 28, 2019

Spokes30Talking about you. You seem to think highly of yourself, don't you?

Apr 28, 2019

Apr 28, 2019

Erik1I have many years of business experience, do you? Incredibly outspoken of you to comment on my life when you do not know me whatsoever. In my younger years I made a living as a consultant to failing companies throughout the world, so I have seen how businesses fail and MD is on that path offering such limited products as an over 4" bladed folder knife. You must be part of the generation that does not want to learn and thinks they know everything without having lived it. Well you watch this knife and see how many are sold. Also let's see how long MD lasts on its present path of offering high prices, long lead times on top of poor warranty and customer service. Time will tell but the writing is on the wall and listings like this are part of the writing. I have a feeling that the other commentator will have egg on their face and you will be proven a point that there is a difference between experienced business people and those who don't know what they are talking about.

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Apr 28, 2019

Spokes30There are millions of people for whom this knife is legal - and guess what? Those are the markets that buy more knives in general. This knife is carried by just about everybody. According to your advice Amazon should quit offering it and hundreds of other niche products I don't care about your undocumented internet claims of your qualifications. You have no idea of my background, education, and experience and you blabbing incessantly on about how massdrop shouldn't carry q product because it doesn't appeal to you makes pretty clear you are full of shite.

Apr 28, 2019

Apr 28, 2019

Erik1Learn how to spell if you are going to scream out profanities, at least do it in style. You are are the one who attacked my capabilities, getting your own medicine is not so fun, eh? Amazon and MD are two different animals, there is no comparison. Amazon can take risks because of its large banking account but MD cannot. Who said this knife does not appeal to me, more fake news from you? Unlike you, I am capable of separating my business sense from my own personal likes. Maybe at some point Amazon will probably buy MD for pennies on the dollar. Erik1 you are way out of your league on this one.

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Apr 28, 2019

Spokes30Blah blah blah. Why don't you go police massdrop's listings for titanium chopsticks or other such low demand items. I am tired of reading your stupidity.

Apr 28, 2019

Apr 28, 2019

Erik1It is mutual but you need to get the last word in. I started this conversation about the demand for this knife and thus I am going to end it. Thus you are welcome to not participate anymore because you are contributing nothing of fact, just a bunch of humiliating personal insults when you are not agreed with. In fact if you read through it you have nothing to say except that a knife that no one wants should be listed by MD. Okay you said it, goodbye. But no you have to insult me to no end for expressing a very unemotional fact about the limited market for such a knife. You are the one that needs to leave this conversation that you chimed in on and accept that people will not always share your opinion.

Apr 28, 2019

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Apr 28, 2019

Spokes30You are the one who stated that massdrop shouldn't carry this item because your state doesn't allow you to carry this knife. I just responded that your laws don't cover me or much of the country. I don't understand why such a successful and knowledgeable business person thinks the discussion section of a massdrop knife that you don't want to buy is the appropriate place to dispense your valuable business knowledge. Maybe it isn't very valuable after all.

Apr 28, 2019

Apr 28, 2019

Erik1You are an extremely disrespectful person and I am going to guess you are a person who was never taught how to respect others and their opinions. I have never called you one name in any of this and you have called me the following," idiot, stupid, full of shit, babbler and so on." You should be ashamed of yourself for this disgraceful exhibition of bad behavior. I have not lowered myself to your level and have only said that your views are selfish because you do not care a hoot about anyone but yourself and satiating your own needs no matter what the needs are of others. You turned this completely on its head and made it personal when my entire focus is on MD being a successful business and not offering products that serve the few and thus cannot generate a discount because there is no volume buying. Someone would think this is about major political views when it is about a knife. I can't imagine your reaction if it was about something more critical and important than a knife. My advice to you is to get a life and get some hard knocks in that life and hopefully you will get some perspective on what is important and what is not. Why don't you go visit North Korea or Venezuela and see what in life is really important.

Apr 28, 2019

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Apr 28, 2019

Spokes30God what a pompus ass. I am selfish because I want massdrop to offer a perfectly legal product if they want. I don't want this knife so it has nothing to do with me being selfish. You mention North Korea - sounds like you would like it there as you want to limit what people have available to buy. I am not disrespectful, just recognize pompus bullshit when I read it.

Apr 28, 2019

Apr 28, 2019

Erik1I am at the edge to turning you into MD for your name calling. I have no more reason to communicate with you. Your brain is too small to understand this matter because it has nothing to do with you and in your selfishness that is all that is in your world. The subject of succeeding as a business is way above your head apparently.

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Apr 28, 2019

Spokes30Go ahead. I am glad someone so successful in business as your self would even stoop to reading my comments in the first place. It is obvious that you have divined all of massdrops failings and traced them back to this listing of a single pocket knife. Your genious is truly on full display for everyone to marvel upon. You might want to leave your contact details in this thread so everyone pining for your business advice can contact you.

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Apr 28, 2019

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Apr 28, 2019

Spokes30I've been looking at knife laws. You should be fine with this in PA. No one cares about legality when building a knife. If you can't use it, don't buy it.

Apr 28, 2019

Apr 28, 2019

Jinnd319I do not live in PA. I am not talking about me, I am talking about MD and getting better prices on knives and improving their business with the business model they setup and are unfortunately moving away from.

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Apr 29, 2019

Spokes30I do just fine for myself, no need to prove myself to you. And why would I have egg on my face? I don't care all that much if MD survives, I have no personal stake in this besides pointing out that MD has other issues to deal with besides the market of this one particular knife. The original conversation was about you being upset that this knife isn't legal for you to carry so MD shouldn't sell it because the market is too small. That's absurd, it's like saying because you don't like sports cars Ferrari shouldn't sell fast cars. Then you moved onto niche items being the issue, it seems that's MD's whole business model revolves around niche items. Could they sell items that cater to a bigger audience, sure... But you assume because you don't want something no one else does, which is flat out nuts. Would I choose to run my business like MD not necessarily, but I also wouldn't make the assumptions your making. I have only bought a few items from MD, but the things I bought are because I saw them and thought they were interesting. If I want to browse boring shit, I'll go to Amazon. If I want to find new and interesting things I'll look at MD and sites like it. I can find lots of things on here that would seem to only interest a few people, your argument concerning MD just doesn't hold up if you consider the site in the entirety. But you don't have to agree with it which is the beauty of the internet, if MD upsets you take your business elsewhere. Now excuse me while I go browse giant folding knives with cleaver style blades. I might buy a couple and never carry them, oh the horror!

Apr 29, 2019

Apr 29, 2019

Jhova90You are absurd and apparently inept in your business experience. What a selfish remark that you don’t care if MD survives or not. Their concept is good and beneficial to all if they would do what they set out to do. They cannot do it successfully if they offer product with a very limited market like this knife. That is the whole point and if they continue to offer so many duds as this their failure is assured. That is the argument here, it has nothing to do with my state law, your state law, my knife preferences, your knife preferences, etc. It only has to do with numbers which measure market size so that MD can get enough sales to have leverage to negotiate a good deal for all of us. This knife ain’t going to achieve that and that is pretty much a black and white issue and any capable business person would agree.

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Apr 30, 2019

Spokes30It's called projection. You call everyone rude, inept and selfish, because you are rude, inept and selfish. You actually sound very angry and it seems to be about your failures in business all your life. You probably always blame other people for your failures as well. I have seen your type before, just some trailer trash bumping along and turning all your ventures to crap. Probably only business experience you have is destroying what ever minor business your parents built and passed on to you because they couldn't sell it outright.

Apr 30, 2019

Apr 30, 2019

Spokes30https://knifeup.com/connecticut-knife-law/ This is perfectly legal for sale in CT And most of the northeast in fact. Hell, i can legally carry this in New York (outside of NYC) open or concealed. There is absolutely no reason MD shouldn't be selling this, or any other knife they choose to. The idea that they shouldn't sell something, anything, because it's not legal in some respects and in limited locals it's absolutely off the wall bonkers. They are bound by their state laws, not yours. Which is why we never see balisong drops (even though those are legal to purchase in CT as well. Your laws actually look pretty lax compared to many other places, you should count yourself lucky)

Apr 30, 2019

Apr 30, 2019

KavikYou are completely incorrect, stop wasting your time, you cannot even do your research correctly.

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Apr 30, 2019

Spokes30This is the last time I am going to communicate with you because your inability to read and get proper information has gotten old and has become harassment. I have been quite involved in fighting this in my state and know a heck of a lot more than you do about it. The following is a very brief overview of CT law: "Conclusion on Connecticut Knife Law. You can own any knife you want but you need to watch out on what knife you carry. Stilettos and automatic knives cannot be carried if it is over 1.5 inches. You can carry any other knife if it is less than 4 inches." I am not a hunter or a fisherman, I know people who have been arrested for carrying more than a 4" knife. STOP calling me a liar and bother someone else with your ridiculous, wrong and rude remarks.

Apr 30, 2019

Apr 30, 2019

Spokes30Nothing I stated was incorrect. I said it's legal for SALE in CT, as in you can own it, I never said you can publicly carry it. My research was just fine. In fact, the bit you quoted was contained in the link I sent, and states right in your own post that you can legally own any knife...."any knife" would include this one, and if you can own it then you must be able to buy it. I said an idea was bonkers and provided you with a link to information you didn't previously appear to know. You said I can't read, insinuated I'm not intelligent enough to comprehend a simplified summary of an already simple law, "yelled" at me for calling you a liar (which I didn't do), and accused me of harassing behavior for (gasp!) daring to respond to 2 separate posts I stumbled across on a public forum....both of which conversations you've tried to order me to leave, as if that's within your power. Now...who's being rude so far? If this is the way you handle someone debating one minor point, I can't imagine what it must be like to see you attempting to fight a legal battle to change a law. Which is sad, really. Because many here would be on your side in supporting the idea that many knife laws desperately need to be updated and changed. But you continue to shoot yourself in the foot by coming out swinging on every conversation. You've been defensive, conceited, arrogant, controlling and manipulative in the face of some very reasonable responses from multiple people. Claiming to know better than all on every topic when you don't even know the people you're speaking to. If I were trying to harass, or prove my ability to do simple research, there are many other points I would love to discuss, in regards to all the claims and qualifications you keep throwing around here. But, unfortunately, I don't feel that would be entirely appropriate. Would be very telling as to the character of the person making these statements though...

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Apr 30, 2019

KavikGo away, nitwitt.

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Apr 30, 2019

Spokes30Lol and there it is, reduced to name calling when someone takes the time to write something you can't refute. Should I now be considering turning you in to MD for name calling, like you've threatened to others? Or asking for an apology for your gross disrespect? Nahhh...I'll wear it like a badge of honor. If we could have "signatures" on our posts here, mine would be this 🤣

Wish I could say it's been a pleasure debating with you Gretchen

Apr 30, 2019

Apr 30, 2019

KavikYou have been successful in convincing me that a blade limit is necessary because unstable people like you should not be able to have a knife of any length.

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Apr 30, 2019

Spokes30And the insults continue lol I feel like I've been relatively civil with you, more so than I think you really deserve based on how you've acted towards me. But if you insist on continuing to try to publicly judge and insulting me with personal attacks, I'll say this: I've heard you speak on local politics. I've seen you speak out against businesses, both here and in other outlets. I've skimmed records of court cases, news articles, forum posts. It took less than an hour browsing through my phone while bored on my lunch break, in between doing other things, to confirm everything I thought about you from our handful of posts back and forth here. You present yourself as an extremely self-entitled, condescending, narcissistic gaslighter who enjoys throwing around inflated credentials to convince others to take your word over anyone else's. I know this type, I've lived with it in the past for many years. It's a hateful and abusive personality. Here's a broad overview on the topic: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_manipulation A good portion of it reads like a check list for your posts here lol

Apr 30, 2019

Apr 30, 2019

KavikI think we're wasting our time. I tried to be respectful and point out that MD is made up of niche market items so getting mad about one isn't going to help, but there are obvious issues that could be worked on here. What can you do though when someone won't see sense. There really is no use feeding the trolls.... I am kinda jealous of your new "signature" tho 😉

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May 1, 2019

Jhova90Lol I'm proud of my "signature", I worked hard to earn it 😏 But seriously though, you're both right and wrong, I think. I think she's capable of *seeing* the sense...but incapable of allowing anyone else's truths to go un-challenged/disputed/mocked/ridiculed/insulted. Even if she were to realize she was wrong about something, admitting so would likely be seen, in her mind, as discrediting herself and all the credentials she's put up to back up her statements....and that certainly can't be allowed to happen in the public eye 🙄 And when the opposition's statements can't be disputed, out come the manipulation tactics and insults. Anything to discredit the other person. But you're right, I'm sure no one here is going to change her ways with a bunch of words

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May 4, 2019

Spokes30Did you say you ONLY use (Mass)Drop for feedback, and you're not actually buying the product?! Your profile shows otherwise. It looks like you have a destructive love/hate relationship with this site.

May 4, 2019

May 4, 2019

Spokes30Do you own a bunch of MD stock or something?! Why are you so concerned for their financial wellbeing?

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May 4, 2019

ILikeAcidAnyone who calls themselves "I like acid" should not be giving advice on love/hate relationships. Also learn how to read something completely and comprehend it.

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May 4, 2019

Spokes30Why do you bother to ask such a ridiculous question, it irrelevant to anything.

May 4, 2019

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May 4, 2019

Spokes30Why is it okay for you to berate MD for listing these knives, but not okay for Erik1 to support them. "...accept that people will not always share your opinion."--your words. If you post a comment, you are open to rebuttal.

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May 4, 2019

ILikeAcidI do not care what your opinion is, I never asked for it. Learn how to accept other people's opinion. READ, plenty of people have a terrible time with MD. I have a right to say that I have and they need to change if they want to exist in a competitive world. I have no more to say except accept that that opinion exists, you cannot deny me of the realities of what I have experienced. That is fact and there is nothing to argue.

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May 4, 2019

KavikAwesome.

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May 4, 2019

Spokes30You asked for my opinion when you imposed your anger on a public forum.

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May 4, 2019

Spokes30You're attacking my screen name?! That's where you go? As far as my comprehension goes, I had 2 English minors. Reading back, it actually looks as though you could use a little assistance in that area: "...it irrelevant to anything. "???

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May 4, 2019

ILikeAcidAbsolutely not. If you deny me the right to describe my experience and question my experience so I can warn others then you are calling me a liar and questioning my integrity which is extremely rude. Were you there to help when I did not receive a paid for item or got no response when an item arrives unusable? No, then you have no right to question my experiences with MD. Yes, I care about the survival of all American businesses. I am not selfish like you apparently are. I am an adult, you do not have to council me on the use of my time. You must work for MD because you appear to have a fear of pointing out their major problems so they maybe can improve..

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May 4, 2019

Spokes30Obviously you are a troll attempting to create discord on this site. Receiving your own medicine doesn’t feel so good does it. I have no caring about your comments because you cannot change my factual experiences so your comments are irrelevant. Get it? If you are so educated why don’t you present yourself with an honorable name and not something so childish, maybe you would be taken more seriously.

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May 4, 2019

Spokes30I totally get it now. As you admitted, you're bitter--having experienced a few botched orders--and now YOU troll the site, trying to discourage sales, passive-aggressively. Do you realize you contradict and disprove yourself in most all your comments? i.e., You just accused me of having "a fear of pointing out (MD's) major problems"(which, btw, is a most hilarious stance), but then, in the same sentence, imply that YOU do this "...so they maybe can improve...". Sooo passive-aggressive. Do you love MD, or do you hate MD. I know this: after reading all the negative comments in your posts, it's clear to me you are an anchor to them--claiming to be a beacon.

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May 4, 2019

ILikeAcidDon’t you have a job, something better to spend your time on, something productive? Good by, so long ........

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May 4, 2019

Amiright? 🤣

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May 4, 2019

KavikWow.... You just hit the nail on the head.

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May 4, 2019

ILikeAcidSTOP IT!!! Logic has no place here. If we can't fluidly change our position how are we supposed to troll everyone?!?

May 4, 2019