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MillerTech
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Dec 16, 2016
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I'm sorry but this looks like a well made Chinese knock off of Bose ANC headphones. Also MSRP at 129.99 that's to low for good headphones.
Dec 16, 2016
calebv59
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Dec 16, 2016
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Audio Technica M50x msrp is only like 30 more... so you are simply an opinionated very wrong person...
Dec 16, 2016
Realizer
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Dec 16, 2016
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That's interesting because I wouldn't put anything Bose makes in a category of "good headphones". There are loads of headphones in the $130 range that are considered "good". In fact the non noise cancelling version of these, the Creative Aurvana Live, is one of the all time bargains for under $100 headphones of the last 10+ years. So you're just making yourself look silly by trash talking these without knowing what they are.
Dec 16, 2016
dafolzey
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Dec 16, 2016
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Creative has been hit or miss with sound quality recently, but calling them knockoff anything is rather ironic. They're probably the original high end digital audio company. Incidentally, the SoundBlaster X7 and E-MU speakers that pop up here occasionally are probably the best value small room audio setup.
Dec 16, 2016
Unknown_Impedance
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Dec 19, 2016
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Bose makes good headphones. They are overpriced, but they are good. The audio quality is the worst part about it, but it's decent. It's good enough to enjoy music, and they are balanced. The active noise cancelling is the best you'll ever get, which is why people buy them. The comfort is also pretty good. The quality is good all around (pads on QC25 is not that well made, their cables sometimes fail, but other times lasts long - so mixed anecdotal evidence there).
But you are right that when it comes to audio quality, products half the price of Bose is better.
Dec 19, 2016
Realizer
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Dec 19, 2016
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There are other brands of headphones with better noise cancelling and without sucked out mids like Bose is famous for. Even the new line up of Sony Noise Cancelling cans sound better in my opinion. Anyway as for sound quality and build quality, instead of Bose I'd go with something like the NAD Viso HP50 or PSB M4U. I understand that Bose is a touchy subject for many given their unique history, but there's a reason they aren't considered a brand for audiophiles anymore, these days they are the Grown-up version of Beats.
Dec 19, 2016
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Dec 22, 2016
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Show me a headphone with better active noise cancelling than Bose. I haven't seen it, and I've never heard it.
I completely agree the audio quality in Bose is subpar and underwhelming, but their noise cancelling is absolutely phenomenal.
The thing is, though, when you are sitting on a loud plane (especially those small, badly insulated planes), all headphones without active noise cancelling will sound like shit. It doesn't matter how good they are in a quiet room, the music will drown and the experience will completely collapse. Bose is great for traveling, which is why people buy them. Which is why audiophiles buy them. You don't get to experience the better audio unless you have great active noise cancelling. So Bose with their mediocre audio for the price, will easily knock out any headphones without noice cancelling. At it will knock out many headphones with worse noise cancelling.
As I said, I've never come across headphones with as good active noise cancelling. I know some brands are closing in, and getting near the point of Bose, but I've never seen anyone match them, let alone surpass them.
Dec 22, 2016
Realizer
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Dec 22, 2016
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Sony MDR-1000x, and the Sony H.ear MDR100ABN, PSB M4U 2, Sennheiser Momentum 2.0, Sennheiser PXC 450. Did I name enough for you?
Dec 22, 2016
Unknown_Impedance
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Dec 22, 2016
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Sennheiser PXC 450 is not better, the noice cancelling is "meh". PSB M4U 2 is mediocre. Sennheiser Momentum 2.0 AEBT is not on par with Bose.
I haven't tried the Sonys, but from my reading it looks to be good contenders (while mostly being described as "on par" when it comes to noise cancelling). I'll give you that, those two options were not terrible counterarguments like the other ones you mentioned. Something tells me you haven't even tried them, or the Bose. I have.
Dec 22, 2016
Realizer
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Dec 22, 2016
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I don't waste time/money on Bose products admittedly, same with Beats unless I'm walking through a Best Buy store for some reason. I prefer IEMs on a plane, so while you're comparing those options based on their ability to cancel noise, I'm saying their overall sound quality is leaving much to be desired. I've heard the QC 25/35 in stores and wasn't impressed. If I were looking for some NC head phones, I personally wouldn't choose Bose. Others would obviously feel different, and that's perfectly fine.
Dec 22, 2016
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Dec 22, 2016
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Bose is not to be compared to the disgraceful Beats.
I already said in my previous comment, explicitly, that I was saying the noise cancelling was excellent in Bose, while the audio quality being subpar. But not at all comparable to the shitty Beats products. It's not that the audio in Bose is bad, they're just bad for the price. For the audio, they are overpriced.
You haven't tried Bose on a plane. That's where it shines. Buses too. Outside in traffic. They are comfortable, well built. The audio in passive mode is abominable, but in active mode it's pretty good. Pair that with EneLoop rechargable batteries, and QC25 is a blast to live with. Obviously, they are better with a good DAC.
The thing is though, Bose is brilliant at noise cancelling. Audio is alright. Price is... high.
Dec 22, 2016
Realizer
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Dec 23, 2016
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Sorry, no offense but I'd still beg to differ. To my ear Bose are not worth the money, I'd rather own some Vmoda cans if I'm going with over exaggerated bass and under performing highs/mids. We're all different though, and that's the wonderful part about audio hobbies.
Dec 23, 2016
Unknown_Impedance
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Jan 1, 2017
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You beg to differ, but aren't discussing the same thing?
The noise cancelling is just better on Bose, that's just a fact. The audio quality is not.
Audio quality and noise cancelling are two different things.
I am talking noise cancelling. You are responding with a counterargument regarding audio quality. You see why this doesn't work?
Jan 1, 2017
Realizer
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Jan 2, 2017
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I think I've already said that the noise cancelling on the Sony head phones are much better than the Bose even Jude from Head-fi agrees. Carry on with your fanboyism though..
Jan 2, 2017
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Jan 2, 2017
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You have, along with many other mentionings that where clearly, undistputably worse. And I did say, that I'd give this, that the Sony mentionings weren't bad. And I also said, that I hadn't tried those two, and that from the reviews I could gather they were described as "as good" or "close", which in my book is perfectly fine. Especially considering QC15, the older Bose model, were also very good, which Sony probably surpass by this point.
This is no fanboyism. None at all. I have pointed out some disadvantages with Bose, and I can mention more. I've said the audio quality is nothing special, and not at all reflective of the price. How does that make me a fanboy? Seriously. I am as objective the reviewers reviewing this, and I'm in no way lacking experience.
You keep on missing the point and countering my arguments with something completely irrelevant. I'm not a fanboy, you're just clearly confused about what we're discussing here.
When you say the audio quality is better, I respond "that's not what I claimed was better", now you say the noise canceling is much better. "Much better", really?!
I'm done. This is getting ridiculous. I'm not spending more time on this. I've said what needed to be said. Bye.
Jan 2, 2017
Realizer
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Jan 2, 2017
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Written by Jude Mansilla of Head-Fi, for the Sony MDR-1RNC. One area the MDR-1RNC's noise canceling seems particularly effective is with low-frequency noise cancellation. While testing them at an airport, Joe (one of Head-Fi's co-administrators) was wearing the MDR-1RNC (and I the Bose QC15), and when I asked what the rumble of the tram that had just gone by sounded like to him, he looked at me puzzled and asked, "What tram?"
To my ears, another advantage the MDR-1RNC has over my Bose QC15 or QC25 is in sound quality with music. The Bose QC15 had a smooth, friendly sound signature, but one that's not very detailed, and with rather flat imaging; and the QC25 has improved on the QC15. The MDR-1RNC, like it's wireless sibling (the MDR-1RBT) uses Sony's "S-MASTER" digital amplification and "DSEE" processing which is designed to restore depth and detail lost in the audio compression process. The effect is more dramatic in the MDR-1RNC than it is in the MDR-1RBT, adding a bit more edge to the sound than the MDR-1RBT's implementation of these technologies; but, again, I think this was intentional, as an attempt to accentuate details that loud ambient noise may mask. The result is a more detailed sound signature, and more three-dimensional imaging, than either of my Bose over-ears.
Anyway you're right, it is getting ridiculous. So feel free to say Bose is the best NC on the planet, and I'll keep giving people multiple options, with reviews to back it up. Cya.
Jan 2, 2017
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Jan 2, 2017
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He's saying the NC is good against Bose, I never denied that
It's just a fact that Bose have been the reference to beat for years. And you're still getting damn good NC by buying their products. Would I recommend Bose? Not necessarily. But you won't go wrong with it, if travel is your apllication of use. Am I intrigued by Sony's latest itterations? Yes. But I still cannot go with anything else other than what I read, until I try them myself. And what I've read says the ANC is pretty damn good, but not necessarily better than Bose. So I just won't assume anything else than what I've read. The audio quality, as I've said thousands of times now, is not particularly good in Bose, so I wouldn't at all be surprised if something beat it (because that happens all the time, and has been normal practice for many years, which I've also said, and is now repeating myself).
The fact that you are unable to see my nuanced assessment about this, is what is ridiculous.
Jan 2, 2017
Realizer
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Jan 2, 2017
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Obviously it's impossible to give you a nut, and expect you to actually go find more. Let me know if what you find bellow isn't satisfactory.. If it's not maybe there's a Best Buy in your area, I was able to test both Bose and the Sony mdr 1000x for my self over the weekend. The Bose don't even come close to how well the Sony 1000x performs. The Sony even has a sensor on the outside of the cup that automatically detects the loudness of the area and adjusts accordingly, it works very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3z60IZ3Uq0
Written by Jude Mansilla Almost as reliable as Newton’s laws of motion was this generally accepted truth in the headphone world: When it comes specifically to actively canceling noise, Bose is the best. This has been true for as long as there have been consumer active noise canceling headphones. There have been some non-Bose headphones that have come close, but Bose has always been able to keep at least one step ahead of its competitors in actively processing out the noise of the world around you. Until now. Finally. Sony. Wow.
Picking Sony’s new MDR-1000X as our top choice for a noise-canceling over-ear was easy, as it tops every criterion we consider--noise-canceling ability, sound quality, comfort, and features. In terms of canceling noise, the MDR-1000X sets a new standard. On several long flights I’ve done head-to-head comparisons of the Bose QuietComfort 20, Bose QuietComfort 25, QuietControl 30, and Bose QuietComfort 35 (Bose’s latest flagship noise-canceling over-ear) versus the Sony MDR-1000X, and it's clear to my ears that the new Sony cuts down more airplane noise than Bose’s latest and best. I've also compared the MDR-1000X and the QC35 in city environments, while walking and train-riding around downtown and, and, again, the Sony also does a better job of keeping bustling city and train noises out, too. To help accomplish a level of noise-canceling that outperforms Bose’s headphones, Sony uses newly developed audio signal processing and analyzing technologies they’ve coined “SENSE ENGINE.” Part of the MDR-1000X’s SENSE ENGINE implementation is something that Sony calls the “Personal NC Optimizer,” which plays a set of tones that help SENSE ENGINE analyze the user’s physical characteristics and wearing style--including hairstyle, whether glasses are being worn or not (which affects the seal)--and adjusts its noise-canceling accordingly to maximize performance. Long story short, it really works--so well that one of my recent airplane seat neighbors who asked to try it said he found it almost too effective (said, of course, with a broad smile of amazement on his face). Prior to the Sony MDR-1000X, I'd occasionally sacrifice some noise-canceling ability for better musicality by sometimes choosing Sennheiser's MOMENTUM Wireless over Bose's headphones. With the MDR-1000X, choosing between noise-canceling travel headphones is no longer necessary, as I find the MDR-1000X also takes the crown for sound quality among not just all active noise-canceling headphones I've tried, but also among all Bluetooth headphones I've so far heard. For wireless, the MDR-1000X supports both aptX and AAC, and it sounds great as a Bluetooth headphone paired to my iOS devices (iPhone 7 Plus and iPad Air 2), Android (LG V20), or MacBook. The MDR-1000X's bass is meaty and controlled, and then nicely balanced from the midband through the highs. It's a closed-back headphone with good passive isolation, but its digital signal processing seems to add spaciousness beyond its cups. The MDR-1000X is a headphone I enjoy listening to not just for a wireless headphone, but for general listening in its active mode, wired or wireless. (In its passive mode, it's duller and less spacious, but good enough to get you through when you've run the battery dry.)
Jan 2, 2017
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Jan 2, 2017
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It even has a sensor on the outside? As if Bose doesn't have that. Like I said, I'm not saying the Sonys are bad, in fact I'm convinced they are quite good. And I will check them out, and no, we don't have Best Buy at all here. No, I haven't found them in a store yet.
I hear what you say, and I'm intrigued by these headphones. You should've already read that.
Jan 2, 2017
Realizer
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Jan 2, 2017
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I know the Bose have a sensor, but it doesn't have as much function as the Sony does etc. Anyhow glad we can sorta agree, I hope you get a chance to try them out. They are quite good, they can't replace my non NC headphones, but I'm actually thinking about getting them. They would be nice for trips.
Jan 2, 2017
Unknown_Impedance
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Jan 2, 2017
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We did long ago, I said from my first comment (after your suggestions), that Sony seemed to have a very solid product against Bose (which have for long been king of NC).
As I already have QC25, and is investing in an expensive home headphone, I don't think I'll get the Sonys in the near future. If only I had more income, less bills etc...
Jan 2, 2017
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