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TelFiRE
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May 23, 2017
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"designed with equal respect to ergonomics, precision, and looks"
Uhhh. The ergonomics literally couldn't be worse. This is a full size keyboard (terrible for your upper back over long periods) with a completely standard layout (fine, but not ergonomic). "Precision"? What does that even mean for a keyboard? And looks....ugggggghhh
May 23, 2017
DigitalRonyn
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Creative Labs
May 25, 2017
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Sorry you're not into the feature set / aesthetics of the Vanguard. We've had a great response from a pretty wide range of users like our pro-gamers and others using the product in the field (customers / reviewers, etc.) It's a pretty big deal for us when a pro-gamer switches over to something new on the input device front because they literally have stipulations in their contracts that stipulate they do not have to switch from their preferred devices. It's a goal we set for ourselves as we developed the keyboard and worked with our pro-gaming teams to get their feedback...and we've had a pretty awesome success rate of switch overs as a result.
In regards to the ergonomics...ANY long term activity sitting at a desk is going to be bad for your back over long periods of time...so take those breaks!
In regards to precision, the feature set is designed to not miss key strokes. Our custom PRES switches were designed with Omron to be great for every day typing as well as gaming. This translates to less missed keystrokes / mis-types or precision.
As far as looks go...can't please everyone and looks are definitely subjective. We've had great response to the even lighting of our switches keys versus the prime competitors due to our keys being center lit versus upper or lower lit...better light disbursement and light channeling overall. It's a pretty huge difference in person, but I'm assuming you haven't touched / seen a Vanguard in person so you wouldn't have this direct experience.
May 25, 2017
TelFiRE
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May 25, 2017
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I definitely can see how some people would like the looks, and understand that even lighting means a lot for RGB so good on you if you have perfected that. It's not for me, but that's subjective. I just thought it was really weird to emphasize ergonomics on the marketing for a fullsize, standard format board, with a wrist rest (those are really bad). It's definitely *not* ergonomic.
May 25, 2017
DigitalRonyn
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Creative Labs
May 25, 2017
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Absolutely get what you're saying and agree. Moving forward I'm going to have the team adjust the copy to be a bit more precise on the terminology.
Personally speaking I yearn for a true ergonomic mechanical keyboard... Hmmm...
May 25, 2017
TelFiRE
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May 25, 2017
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Have you considered an Ergodox? I think they made a lot of very intelligent innovations. Staggering keys vertically instead of horizontally lines up with the natural curve of your fingers better. And I think that the two-half boards style is the way to go, since no one has the exact same arm width. Also using your thumbs for modifier keys makes so much sense, it makes me wonder why more people haven't done it. My left thumb just sits there most of the time! Maybe you guys should build a board in a similar vein :P
May 25, 2017
Evshrug
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May 27, 2017
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Hi Digital Ronyn! Just curious, has Creative made a gameboard (like an ergonomic half-keyboard that functions just for WASD/thumbstick movement and a few keys in easy reach like this Logitech: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126050) in the same style as the Vanguard keyboard? I actually find myself pretty pleased by the LED effects in person, which was a total surprise compared to reading about it and seeing pictures of "gamer lights."
May 27, 2017
TelFiRE
601
May 31, 2017
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Unnatural finger movement? What? You don't sound like you've spent much time thinking or reading about ergonomic keyboards.
May 31, 2017
TelFiRE
601
May 31, 2017
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Fingers move naturally vertically, not horizontally.
I use a standard keyboard layout. There's nothing wrong with it for most people. But ask someone with serious finger/hand/wrist issues whether there's any point to ergonomic keyboards. (Spoiler: there is.)
May 31, 2017
TelFiRE
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May 31, 2017
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Just because a guy on the Internet says something isn't true doesn't mean it's not.
Most keyboards marketed as "ergonomic" are horseshit. That doesn't change the facts. If you think the typewriter layout just happened randomly upon the most efficient layout without even trying, you're on hard drugs. The typewriter layout was designed to be easily machined, not to be the best typing experience, and is as dated as things in the tech world come.
Ergodox and other split layout keyboards have undeniable advantages that don't come packaged with any disadvantages except a tiny learning curve. There's no room for argument.
May 31, 2017
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