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NeenerMan
233
May 4, 2017
Get an external DAC/amp for cheaper. External audio hardware keeps the important bits away from noise motherboard circuits.
NeenerManWe wouldn't be getting the dB SnR rating (which BTW is a true one for baseline use...unlike some of our competitors who claim dB SnR in "best case" scenarios) if there was system or mother board noise leaking into the cards signal path.
The board itself is using a shielded and isolated design on the circuit board itself as well as the "over card" shielding. The real magic though is in the PCB design and the signal routing and shielding that takes place in the board.
This card was built with a rather rigorous spec for shielding and isolation from the noise you mention above and performs better than a pretty massive amount of desktop amps for output...especially at the price point.
IlTossico
27
May 5, 2017
DigitalRonynNope. The typical "hum" is from ground, it depends to power supply and motherboard. If u use any product which use same power of pc, the hum stay. Like USB dac/amp. U need an external power source and isolated usb. Shield in this products is useless. Noise of magnetic field generated from video card or other componets, go through power signal. Personal experience with STX.
IlTossicoThe STX doesn't use the same pathing or design as we do (in fact it's quite different).
This "hum" in almost every case will not be an issue with our ZxR card. We've designed with motherboard inadequacies and power supply inadequacies in mind. We're an audio company first...not a "components" one like those making "sound cards" as a side business. There's a lot going on with the design and circuitry of the ZxR card, especially since we had to design with the fact that we have an onboard processor (which itself if not designed for correctly could introduce noise) versus a simple codec that relies on CPU power for audio processing. (like in the STX).
Sure you might find a nightmare configuration that creates an unavoidable noise source, but the vast majority of PC's that are being put together by people willing to spend $100+ on a sound card are not going to be using inferior hardware that will generate these issues.
The shielding above the board does make a difference depending on the configuration. With various curve balls being adding to systems nowadays (LED lighting, larger fans, etc) you want to take advantage of every place you can avoid potential signal noise introduction. Especially when you are pushing into the critically high ranges of dB SnR.
Again, more useful in some situations than others, but to say flat out it doesn't make a difference is a very broad statement that is somewhat misleading.
NeenerMan
233
May 7, 2017
DigitalRonynGlad you replied. Cleaned up a huge misconception for me. However, I don't doubt many companies make components rather than something made for a purpose. Love this in depth reply. 100% nerded out.
IlTossico
27
May 10, 2017
NeenerManI not answer just beacuse have no sense. Creative's man is a seller, he need to sell this product and i always find a reply to anything, even though he know is wrong. I'm also a seller, but first, i'm a technician and i know the issue with this product, all pro seller know these thing. All ok, no need this product, i prefer my tube amp with good external dac. I love LG brand, i'm a tv seller, any years, at end of commercial business year in my shop remains a lot of samsung tv unsold, it's difficult to sell a very bad product, i not want problem with my client but i need to sell it, the only way is lies. Some commercial market is based on lies. This speech is generic, not for creative, it is a very good brand, especially in the past with 2.1 entry sistem and other audio card.
IlTossicoI always answer with specs (facts) and respect. Not sure why that's seen as a bad thing by you. If there's an issue with a product we as a company resolve it and address it as can be shown in several of the improvements we made with products based on feedback from the Massdrop community here (most notably the X7 and E5 products).
Virael
233
Aug 17, 2017
NeenerManWow. What a mature and very open-minded attitude. I know it's a bit off-topic but I just had to comment to give you props. I raise my glass to you good sir. I wish more people in the internet were like you.
selvakumar
2
Aug 17, 2017
DigitalRonynTrue man placed oder for ZXR and im using ASUS XONAR ESSENCE STX in windows 10 driver support is worst thing not even updated the driver since 2015 and about creative they update driver every year or 6 months once
pleeho
4
Oct 29, 2017
DigitalRonynYou must understand that "audiophiles" are people who believe they can hear the differences in electrical conduction through a $20,000 set of cables vs a $100,000 audio cables. you must have heard about that Japanese man who had his city put in a separate and shielded concrete encased electric power pole and lines into his house because he could "tell the difference" in the cleaness of sound in his phonograph records. Recall that the psychometric range of human cranial nerve VIII as perceived by one's auditory centers of the brain totally overwhelms any perceivable difference in electrical cabling, amp differences, etc. Summation: don't argue with audiophiles. These are not normal rational human beings.
The_Great_Gazoo
0
Oct 29, 2017
DigitalRonynSpeaking of nightmare configurations.....where is the fix for these cards that don't get recognized by motherboards? There are MANY threads out there about this issue - just search "ZxR not detected" on Google. Sometimes the ZxR won't be detected so I have to shut down my computer and unplug it for 20 minutes. When it reboots it will recognize the sound card again. I've done all the usual and unusual troubleshooting methods so don't bother on giving me tips. I even RMA'd the motherboard and the replacement did the same thing. I also exchanged a ZxR through my seller and still problems exist. I have a Z97-Deluxe motherboard it just will not work at all with a STRIX 1080Ti, but will work with my old 980Ti using the shut down method. It is just problematic and very annoying.
I will say that when it is working the ZxR is absolutely fantastic. I don't usually use headphones but use a Z906 speaker set via analog and the difference between onboard sound and the ZxR is transformational. I've had it for a few years now and love it. Great for movies but really good for music.
NeenerMan
233
Oct 30, 2017
pleehoIt's not that deep. That's called a snob. Your typical audiophile is more interested in power output, channel separation and how flat the output frequencies are than all of this garbage you mentioned. Resolution isn't quite important. Very rarely do I come across someone that is concerned about the sample rate of their DAC.
Calis
79
Nov 1, 2017
NeenerManBut external audio is also usually vulnerable to the weaknesses of using a USB path for audio. So using an external USB device instead of internal PCI-E device is just trading one set of problems for another (unless the USB path is bypassed, or an additional device is added to correct for USB's weaknesses).