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verifonix
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Feb 5, 2019
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zep483They are already T50RPs that are modded. Why would you sent modded T50RPs to modhouseaudio for Argon mod lol... just because they're blue?
No, more interesting would be to buy T60RP and send them for Argon mod. That would be awesome.
verifonix
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Feb 5, 2019
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zep483Since it says '60' I'm thinking there's a chance the driver and how the driver is placed in the chassis can definitely be different but I'm not sure..
GiantHeadphoneSquid
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Feb 7, 2019
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zep483This is correct, the T60 uses the same driver as the T50. It is Fostex take on a retuned, premium T50 mod.
Out of curiosity I contacted Ryan at Modhouse about Argon modding T60s. He already informally offers and has done conversion service. That said, by his description the tuning is very close but a little warmer; he said you would not be able to tell a difference if you didn't have a T50 Argon and a T60 side by side.
Personally, I would be hard pressed to part with my T60, and if/when I get an Argon, I'd like to start with the traditional variant. It seems like a waste to pay the premium for the T60 over the T50 if you are going to swap out the enclosure, comfort strap, baffle damping and pads anyway.
zep483
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Feb 7, 2019
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GiantHeadphoneSquidYeah that's why I was considering doing so with blues... maybe could stick with the dekoni pads and just swap in the deerskin comfort strap/adjust the tuning... might be worth 50 dollar upgrade for the pads and case here... that was a "thought."
GiantHeadphoneSquid
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Feb 7, 2019
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zep483If you have interest in the Dekoni pads that option might save you money. . . I doubt you could get both of these pads for $50, although I think you can get bundles of the classic T50RP with the same Dekoni pads for $199 as well. Outside of the pads, I don't think it would be worth it as a unique Argon variant. . . but who knows.
It would be worth trying to confirm with Ryan at Modhouse, he was quite quick to reply to my question on his site's feedback. While he seems very willing to convert the T60, it could be the Blue is more stubborn to mod. . . if you're set on that path, it'd be worth reaching out.
zep483
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Feb 8, 2019
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GiantHeadphoneSquidYeah, already reached out, and he said he can do it. I'd still want a balanced cable and a deerskin headband though;)
Evshrug
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Mar 3, 2019
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zep483Dekoni Audio has this to say about the Argon vs Blue: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/dekoni-fostex-blue-planar-magnetic-headphones/talk/2244817?utm_source=linkshare&referer=Z2JXCA
I haven’t heard the Argon myself. The Blue is fairly similar to the ZMF Vibro, both fixing the treble issue and adding some fun into the bass, but I don’t have both side by side to compare (I have the Blue).
For an easy headband fix, I am enjoying the Dekoni Nuggets. For $20, I got four headband pads; I put two on my Blue and two on my AKG K612, in the same style as the HD 650 headband padding. This works great! Much more cushy than my old solution of a baby seatbelt wrap on the AKG headband. I’m almost bald now, so I’m very headband picky, haha! 🤣
NEVER put a balanced adapter onto a single-ended headphone cable. It will short out the circuit, and probably brick your amp. Good single-ended amps exist though... like the Cavalli Tube Hybrid here on Massdrop, Woo Audio’s stuff, and more.
verifonix
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Mar 3, 2019
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Evshruglol I bought the nuggets but put all four on my headband I'm a dumbass :p it's too much
LowFi42
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Apr 30, 2019
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verifonixFrom common consensus that the eye is unable to spot, the drivers of the T60rp seem to extend into the lows and highs more than the t50rp - suggesting an alteration of the driver.
Evshrug
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May 1, 2019
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LowFi42It’s also pretty common consensus (and measured) that this Blue also extends into the lows and highs more than the stock T50RP mk III. I haven’t seen comparable frequency graphs between the T60RP and Blue, or tried the T60RP for myself yet.
They all are amp-hungry beasts though, haha!
LowFi42
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May 1, 2019
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EvshrugNope, the Blue's do not extend at either ends better than the T50rp, at least that's what my ears and the graphs are telling me:
https://dekoniaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/BLUE-V-T50.jpg
You certainly are right in that the T50 mods require a beefy amp though! Hardest mod to drive that I've come across to date is the ZMF Classic, and my favourite mod. Far outclasses my Argon MK3. The downfall with most T50 mods is the treble in my opinion (due to baked in distortion into the driver) and the Classic seem to be the best at quelling this issue from my experience.
With the T60rp however, the baffle part number is different to that of the T50, T40 and T20, which is most probably the cause of the sound difference. They are also noticeably easier to drive - combining this with better clarity (again, could be do to other factors such as the use of wood), it may be that the T60 uses a slightly thinner diaphragm. Who knows? I'm certainly not gonna tear apart my T60 driver, learnt my lesson when I did that with my T20rp and the magnets smashed into the diaphragm :)))
Evshrug
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May 1, 2019
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LowFi42Tal (Dekoni’s co-founder and sound engineer) actually told me that graph came straight from Fostex, so it’s a good graph. The thing is, though, it’s all about how you look at the graph and line up the comparison.
Modding a headphone, “you can’t add what isn’t there, but can take away what is.” Nip a little treble in the sibilants region here, tuck the mids and smooth the transition from bass there, and you get the Blue. Most people instinctively base their sense of volume off of the vocals and majority of instruments, which happens in that midrange area. So, if you matched volume at 1000 Hz (as most do) or slightly higher, you’d see that the graph is showing a substantial increase in bass (and extension), as well as a bit of treble emphasis spikes to prevent it from being masked by the bass increase. You should always think of comparing Freq curves relative to the mids, mentally doing what a computer cannot and keep in mind a couple spots along the midrange spectrum.
ZMF makes great headphones, I was hanging out with Zach and Bev just recently at AXPONA. Chill, relaxed, yet passionate people, love ‘em!
LowFi42
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May 1, 2019
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EvshrugExtension is a term used to describe the gradient of a specific section of audio reproduction relative to the other frequencies, and in this case both the blue and t50 have equal curves and equal gradients when concerning sub bass, causing bass extension to be exactly the same. If we are being picky, you can see that the difference between left and right of the T50rp represents a greater difference than the difference in bass response between the Dekoni Blue and The Fostex T50rp. The Blue has no benefit regarding bass extension.
For example, If you took a HD 600 and boosted the entire bass frequencies by 5db, extension would still be exactly the same, its just that the entire region of bass has become louder.
Or in easier terms, we can see that with the Blue's and the T50rp, 30 hertz is still the same difference in amplitude in comparison to 90 hertz with both headphones - identical extension.
I also think that relativity is a key factor when analysing a headphone. Even If you align at 1khz, it doesn't disguise the fact that the mid-bass region is over 5 times louder than the midrange as you're suggesting.
Take care.
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