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JJayJJ
472
Nov 4, 2019
Pretty much essential for anyone who has a headphone with a straight headband design. How people can tolerate contact on the direct top of their head for more than 30 mins is beyond me. Slap a few of these guys slightly to the sides and you're golden. Also very happy to see so many companies going the vegan route. Synthetic leather/protien makes far more sense now that formula's have been done to the degree it's pretty much better than leather in terms of wear/tear. Also sending defenseless animals to oblivion for the sake of wearing their skins is pretty much disgusting to think about. Good job Dekoni!
JJayJJIn my experience, synthetic/protein leather is not "pretty much better than leather in terms of wear/tear." Also, protein leather 'breathes' worse than real leather. What would your take on this matter be if the animal had been used for food, with the hide thrown away instead of being utilized?
JJayJJ
472
Nov 4, 2019
mattrisFirst off, you're countering anecdotal experience, with anecdotal experience. So I don't get your point on the wear and tear aspect. Then you talk about "breathing", whatever that means (which is why you said 'breathing' instead of flat out breathing). Lastly the hide is it own industry, and whenever there are slaughterhouses the export hides for processing to tanning industries, it doesn't excuse the fact of either action. Hide would be discarded instantly if leatherworking industries didn't pay for them. Likewise fertilizer industry making use of blood and bones. Likewise pet foods industries, cosmetics, etc... I could go on. Even if cows weren't used as food (in the same way most furs used in clothes isn't from animals you eat) they would still be slaughtered for skin, and the rest thrown away even in these pointless imaginary scenarios. And since cow IS used as food, and we use their hide for leather.. this thought expirament matters as much as me running it's antithesis if I presented you leather from an animal no one eats and asked if you would be willing to use such leather for you little devices or clothes or steering wheel or whatever. Makes about as much sense as murdering people and shrugging away when asked why on top of that you're also taking the person's belongings, clothes, and cutting his hair to sell to weave factories.. And replying "why let it go to waste". Waste of what exactly? Not fully exploiting something? Preposterous. You may want to read a bit on ethics or morality. Just because you utilize something as much as you can, doesn't excuse actions leading to the degradation of a beings well-being (or in this case the taking of innocent life).
JJayJJSpecifically, what synthetic/protein leather is "pretty much better than leather in terms of wear/tear"? I said protein leather 'breathes' worse than real leather because is doesn't actually breathe as living animal does. Generally speaking, thin real leather allows for superior air ventilation than synthetic/protein leather. Did you really not understand my statement? Is it your position that animals should be slaughtered for food only? Or are you against that, too?
JJayJJ
472
Nov 6, 2019
mattrisTo the first question, that doesn't make sense.. am I to list the specific amino acid chain of the products I've used that were artificial leather? Also I told you, that was my anecdotal experience with products I've used. One off the top of my head is earpads. Second, in the same way you ask me to clarify pointlessly about wear and tear. I now ask you about how you figure this breathable property exists? I did understand your statement in it's colliquial use of the term breathable (not literally breathing, but ventilation, I got that part). Where is this leather you speak of? Lastly, how are you even asking that question. You're either trolling, or beyond any reproach in terms of literacy. I spoke about how either action is inexcusable (killing of animals whether for leather, or even if complimented by food, or any other industry that makes use of slaughtered animals), and yet you ask me this? Did you simply skip over the majority of my post? Do you even know what someone is doing when they are speaking in favor of some vegan action undertaken by a company's initiative to a product offering? Better question, do you even know what veganism itself is?
JJayJJ"My anecdotal experience" is that Brainwavz Pleather Pads from years ago have flaked apart, exposing the nylon-like material underneath, while my Brainwavz Sheepskin Pads are just fine. I measure "this breathable property" by how quickly my ears get warm. In this regard, Brainwavz Sheepskin Pads breathe far better than Brainwavz Pleather Pads. No need to "list the specific amino acid chain of the products" you've used. What specific artificial leather ear pads ventilate better than what specific leather ear pads? I was not trolling. And while I'm not going to get into with you regarding the "industry that makes use of slaughtered animals", I can tell you that I prefer vegan ear pads over all others... by far. I also prefer a hamburger w/ veggie toppings to a (completely vegetarian) salad.
JJayJJ
472
Nov 6, 2019
mattrisYou anecdotal experience isn't being contested. So again, I reiterate, I don't know what your point is. No one is making the declaration all vegan protein leathers are superior from a durability standpoint, compared to leather. Also, type of wear/tear wasn't even mentioned (as "flaking off" isn't the only type of degradation possible). Heat has nothing to do with "breathability" since neither leather is air permeable, so you're infrencing non-factors incorrectly in your assumption. So by that extention non "ventilate" better than another, this is nonsensical. Finally, your final statement has nothing to do with the prior question proposed. Actually it wants to cut the discussion short since you're making an ethical case with the question you first asked, but now say you don't want to "go into" it. This is argument in bad faith, and simply exiting prematurely a challenge you raised. And to the final portion of your "preference", this is a redundency, as you clarified that much earlier, so I don't know why you would again, why I would care, nor do I understand why does it matter with the topic of contention with respect to the prior question you proposed in your prior post about justifications You're having trouble following the discourse. Stick to singular points like you did with clarifications about your preference and anecdotal experience. I highly dis-advise you start the topic of veganism as you seem to be at a loss what it even is in totality (as evidenced by your interchangable usage of it, and vegetarianism which are quite different from one another, especially from a moral standpoint).
JJayJJI provided an example of my "anecdotal experience" regarding breathability and durability and asked you to do the same. You failed to do so. I find it ironic that you say I'm "having trouble following the discourse". Many factors affect the breathability of ear pads: the type of leather used, thickness of the surface material, foam, seal, etc. Also, you are completely incorrect when saying that "neither leather is air permeable". No ear pad is air-tight. Your original post made it clear that you are the one "making an ethical case" here. You chose to avoid answering my questions and instead posted a multi-hundred word critical essay that contains numerous false statements. And I'm the "nonsensical" one? More irony!
JJayJJ
472
Nov 6, 2019
mattrisI said earpads. Do you need serial numbers of make and model perhaps? LCD leather vs their vegan option, the vegan lasted longer in terms of of surface wear and in terms of smooth feel. But since you never defined wear and tear, we're still here wondering when you're going to do that. No one said earpads were air tight. Stop being pedantic, we're talking about leather. Yet another example of inability to follow nor ability to argue in good faith. My original post was complimenting the move and its a positive one from an ethical standpoint as well. I wasn't arguing the ethical case I only started arguing it when you asked this stupidity: "Is it your position that animals should be slaughtered for food only? Or are you against that, too?" And finally, you continue with your declaratory statements.. simply STATING, not proving, others are doing something while you're doing something else. Then find issue with someone being comprehensive completely addressing all your points. While you continue addressing only ones you deem low hanging fruit, and still fail as I demonstrated with the commentary on the earlier parts of what you were saying in this latest post. I don't really have much to say unless you have something to say to the ethical issue you raised prior. I was done talking about the anecdotal portion because you don't have a point here as all it is two anedotes canceling one another out. So unless you have any objective points to aruge, I have exhausted and addressed every single one of your muddy points and inquiries using open-ended and language open to interpretation. Be more precise when you raise points and questions, and please try to follow if you're going to take up the offer I presented just now to continuing the discourse.
JJayJJI'm not here to "prove" anything to you. I simply disagreed that "Synthetic leather/protien makes far more sense now that formula's have been done to the degree it's pretty much better than leather in terms of wear/tear". You then say "But since you never defined wear and tear, we're still here wondering when you're going to do that." The irony continues! "...comprehensive completely addressing all your points." You have still failed to provide "anecdotal experience" regarding breathability and durability of earpads. Yes, "be more precise". Make and model, please. Otherwise your statement is useless. Since no type of leather or cloth material is air-tight, my point about "the breathability of ear pads" stands. "I don't really have much to say..." You've already said so much but said so little. Try pointing the critical finger at yourself. Or just answer simple, direct questions and stop wasting your time criticizing my debating technique. You call me "pedantic", but one could make a pair of earpads out of iron with all of this irony!
JJayJJ
472
Nov 6, 2019
mattrisAgain more declaratory nonsense evidenced by inability to follow a convesation. The first statement you make in this reply is referencing a reply to a question that was proposed way before such reply was given. When you disagreed with my anecdotal experience about synthetic being better.. I didn't say "But since you never defined wear and tear, we're still here wondering when you're going to do that." That was something that was posted one reply ago. What I first said was: "First off, you're countering anecdotal experience, with anecdotal experience. So I don't get your point on the wear and tear aspect." Which was long before I made the statement you just quoted. LITERAL evidence of your mental impediment right now about inability to follow of a conversation. Yet you still continue mouthing off ascribing false attributions. Keep at it. Constant arguments in bad faith, and incomplete retorts to all points raised. My patience for your comprehension issues have worn thin. I'll ask one last time and be done based on your reply.. Do you have any other objective, or moral implications to discuss regarding the topic of veganism or not. If not, then thank you for your time, but I simply lack the drive to entertain to much word count anymore about your sub par ability to express yourself properly in discourse. If you do have a point to make on that topic, then raise it now.
JJayJJNo, I don't want to discuss the topic of veganism. In your original post, you claimed that "Synthetic leather/protien makes far more sense now that formula's have been done to the degree it's pretty much better than leather in terms of wear/tear" but "never defined wear and tear" or specified the earpads to which you were referring. "... still here wondering when you're going to do that." You say a lot, but seem to be incapable of answering a simple question that would clarify your original claim. Noting a synthetic leather earpad that ventilates better than a real leather pad would also be appreciated. I will read another of your responses only if it starts with the make and model of the earpads you were comparing. Further blathering containing "LITERAL evidence of your mental impediment right now about inability to follow of a conversation" is not worth my time or effort... and "I simply lack the drive to entertain to much word count anymore about your sub par ability to express yourself properly in discourse."
JJayJJ
472
Nov 7, 2019
mattrisOkay then I suppose I'll simply leave it at that. I explained to you as for both anecdotal experiences, I have no interest in debating that, I say this is derived from a pair of LCD ear pads for example, and that answered your question as to which faired better. I don't challenge your claim of you feeling like leather is better, to which I also made closing comments in my first post saying, regardless of how better they are, it's not worth sending animals to death for it, and that's that. Hopefully this quick summary explains somewhat to where you've gotten lost in the whole ordeal. But since you have no other interest than talking about proving some leather "breathes" or "ventilates" better, I have nothing more to say really. I explained even why that's lunacy since you're not going to be passing air through leather itself, but you also do not concede that either for whatever reason (you conflate with temperature vs air, to which i tried mentioning holds no barring on your prior claim's truth, yet you still are content with jumping from claim to claim). Good luck to you, but this is all I have left to say.
hks128
68
Jul 10, 2021
JJayJJDude get off your high horse. You’re literally exposing first world problems. Cows are a source of food, as are most animals, as are we to other animals. It’s unfortunate but a reality. stop writing essays. This is hardly the forum for this.
JJayJJ
472
Jul 10, 2021
hks128Glad you admit it's a problem. Since you're on this website and on a computer. It's safe to say you're most likely a first-world denizen. So this should sensibly be a problem you ought be concerned with. Not really sure why you thought a comment of mine for Nov 2019 was worth sending the comment you did about. As for the weird off topic drive-by commentary about what's food and who's food. Are you some sort of person that model's their life around the natural food chain, or circle of life? Or just someone that wants to behave like the way base-animals do? Sure animals kill other animals to eat, but they also kill and rape as well. Though I don't think you would advise we follow in that sort of lifestyle. Unelss I am mistaken of course, seeing as human history is rife with such deplorable actions. Same goes for eating animals when you have no need for (and if you're within spitting distance of a supermarket, you would fall under this designation).
hks128
68
Jul 13, 2021
JJayJJLmao ok. So much wrong with your assertions but like I said, not the forum.
JJayJJ
472
Jul 13, 2021
hks128So why keep spamming? You're not going to actually comment on anything on why I'm wrong, just make a drive-by comment that I'm wrong and leave it at that.. I don't get it.
ChumbWumba
271
Jul 31, 2022
JJayJJWhere’s the award button?
ChumbWumba
271
Jul 31, 2022
mattrisOooh bud, that’s where ya lost me..a hamburger? I’ll take a cheeseburger with the veggie toppings please!
ChumbWumbaWhat kind of cheese, meat, bun, and veggies? Better yet, what's your favorite cheeseburger of all time? Mine's the Hard Rock Café in London.
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