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Kavik

5531

Mar 6, 2019

Hmmm....came back to look at this again in the new drop.... Gotta say, the review scores don't seem to match up at all with what the comments section looks like 🤔 Are all the people who had complaints just not bothering to post reviews? I still don't see the price they're asking for the materials used, especially after seeing some of the customer photos

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vitooch

Mar 7, 2019

KavikPeople mainly complain about the price by looking at the pictures. At that price it should be made of real leather ect. ect.. The reason why it has 5 star reviews is because it's really really good, well worth the $120. The build quality is exceptional, something you can't tell by looking at the pictures.

Kavik

5531

Mar 7, 2019

vitoochSo far in pictures I've seen bad glue ups on the fabric and gaps and misalignments on the miter joints of the box.....and those are just in the pictures from people who love it, not the ones who are complaining and trying to highlight flaws. At some point there is no amount of craftsmanship that makes a simple box worth THAT much more than the sum of its parts. We're talking about a storage box here, not a piece of artwork whose value can't be defined by its materials. So, yes, i think even flawlessly made in a Chinese factory, with these materials, this would still be overpriced. And that's not a slam on the quality of Chinese factories, but it needs to be mentioned as we know the manufacturing costs are lower there. Oversees manufacturing with better materials, then we'd be in the right ballpark, maybe a few bucks more, but not much IMO. The fact of the matter still remains that you can buy similar products at a fraction of the cost, as many have already pointed out...obviously they don't have the same layout and serve the same purpose, but you should still be able to look at those and extrapolate from that what a reasonable cost difference should be. In my mind, the internal trays are not worth $80-100

vitooch

Mar 7, 2019

KavikThe one that I purchased is completely fine. There will always be exceptions with every product. I had the same reservations about it as well before I bought it. Now that I actually have it I understand why people love it. I will agree it might be $20-$30 overpriced likely cause there isn't anything like tailored to knife collectors but I can guarantee you that you cannot find anything close at the fraction of the cost. Only way to answer your question is for you to see one in person. If it were overpriced junk, the reviews would reflect that, no doubt.

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Kavik

5531

Mar 8, 2019

vitoochThat's a pretty lofty claim, but I'm not about to buy this and a dozen other boxes to test your "guarantee" (pet peeve of mine; when people use the term guarantee when there's really no way to prove something and, even if you could, they aren't on the hook for it anyway. I think the word you want there is "suspect") I'm genuinely glad to hear yours is good, and that you're happy with your purchase. But the rest is just opinion man, and ours differ. Like I said, even if I saw one that was perfectly made, I don't see the value based on the materials and the method of manufacturing, it's as simple as that. One of those two things would have to change to convince me otherwise. I would consider this price (or a little more) reasonable for something like this with actual leather or hardwood and glass. I would consider this price reasonable if made by a highly skilled individual craftsman with these same cheap materials. I would consider twice this cost a steal if made with those better materials by an individual craftsman. As for the 4.8 star reviews, well, there's a lot of brand loyalty around this place. That's what made me ask in the first place why the ratings seem skewed as compared to the comments.

vitooch

Mar 8, 2019

KavikYou are entitled to your opinion but what I don't get is why ask your initial question if you don't care what actual owners say and just assume the great reviews are just "brand loyalty"? What a waste of time.

Kavik

5531

Mar 8, 2019

vitoochThe only question asked was if those who had complaints didn't bother leaving reviews. The rest was just a statement that you chose to dispute. But I didn't mean I think the good reviews that were left are skewed by brand loyalty. I'm saying it seems like many times people who have complaints on MD made products are more apt to leave comments and skip the actual review. Sorry you feel a discussion is a waste of your time, but, this IS a product discussion forum..... I appreciate having heard your opinion, but it didn't answer what I actual asked, and your response to my statement just wasn't anything compelling enough to change my mind is all

glennac

1363

Mar 11, 2019

KavikFrom my experience, product reviews don't tell the whole story. And they are skewed toward the extreme ends of the scale. Sites like MD, Amazon, eBay, etc reflect this. You have either the super satisfied, and enthusiastic crowd at one end, and the super dissatisfied at the other end. Both camps can be quite vocal. In the middle you have the vast majority of mildly satisfied and mildly dissatisfied users - the 'silent majority' that rarely participate in community forums or leave reviews. Most simply can't muster up the energy or interest to return and leave a review. You would think that with these demographics that any rating score would always land right in the middle. But it often doesn't and as a result can't always be trusted. If a products quality is inconsistent, then quality control will determine the results of any scoring system. If, for the most part, good quality products get through, then you can expect the average ratings to be high. If a few poor quality items make it to consumers then you can expect a handful of very negative reviews amongst a generally satisfied crowd. The problem exists when a product is just 'meh'. You get the easily impressed leaving high-star reviews, but very few entirely negative reviews because very few were dissatisfied enough to get emotional about it. In this case you might see rated reviews unfairly skewed toward the positive end when the product didn't really deserve it. Interestingly, most of the time you won't see the opposite (i.e. a good product skewed poorly by an over abundance of negative reviews). For a site like MD, you might have plenty of folks willing to slam a product in community forums, while at the same time less likely to leave a negative review. Some would rather snipe their dissatisfaction with a quick post but might avoid making it "official" with a rated review.

King_benny55

Mar 13, 2019

KavikIf you don’t like the product, and you can find better for cheaper. Why are you hear rambling on about it. Anyone who bought it, doesn’t need to hear your wasted comments. If you bought it, and are writing a review. Different story. Have you ever ran your own business? Did anyone ever tell you how to price your services, or products you were selling?

Kavik

5531

Mar 13, 2019

King_benny55I came back here to reconsider if it might be worthwhile after hearing what the first round of buyers thought, and commented on how I felt after seeing the discussions. This is a discussion forum, not just a review site. Which means it's open to discussion by any member, regardless of whether they've purchased it, and about whatever they feel like discussing in regards to it. Not that I need to validate my opinions as a consumer, but I've had a hand in a couple small businesses over the years, yes. And yes, customer feedback is a big part of determining how to price products and services, if you want sales in volume. That said, which comment was really more wasted? I don't see it in your purchase history either, yet here you are.....I was done days ago

King_benny55

Mar 13, 2019

KavikYes here I am, reading the “discussion” forum. While reading it, I was struck by your negativity while reading your comments. 100% the discussion is open. With that said, no matter what anyone’s response to your questions were, you always had a answer. It just came across as soap boxy to me, grandstanding if you would. So I figured I would contribute as well. Good day!

Kavik

5531

Mar 13, 2019

King_benny55Not grandstanding, just elaborating where the responses recieved implied i might have needed to explain myself better. And at the same time keeping the conversation open, allowing others a chance to respond again with any additional insight they might have the might sway me. That IS a discussion (no quotes). And here is where I WILL get on a soap box for a moment to go off on a bit of a tangent- read it if you like, or skip to the end. This is a huge problem with society in this internet age. People have become so accustomed to dealing with snippets from closed minded people, with closed ended statements, who are dead set in their opinion and have no intention of having an open conversation, yet they still feel the need to let their opinion be known to the world anyway. We see so much of this that the majority don't seem to know what to do anymore with an actual debate. Half the people can't see someone defend their opinion without getting offended, or disproportionately defensive. The other half can't defend their own views when challenged and resort to personal attacks instead. And somehow this has become socially acceptable!? We live in a sad age of entitlement, stubbornness, and disregard. Look at the number of posts around here about any number of things that boil down to "do x, y, and z if you want me as a customer". They aren't engaging in discussions about product improvements, and they certainly aren't trying to listen to reason on why those changes can't be made. They're making demands and walking away, somehow surprised that that didn't get them what they wanted. I, on the other hand, was trying to discuss the perceived value of an item. I'm not just saying "it's too much" and walking away. Like I said, I even came back to see if my mind would be changed after the first batch was delivered and people had a chance to comment and share pictures. Obviously it was not, so I decided to spark up a conversion to discuss it further.
If someone from MD, who has insight into the manufacturing process and pricing strategy, wants to come in and explain how they got to the final price based on the cost of materials and the number of man hours that go into each piece, I'd be all ears. I don't believe that will happen, and they certainly aren't required to, but it would make for an interesting read. Anyway, it's basically this: If my mind is so set on something that my opinion can't be swayed, you usually won't see me comment, unless it's a case where I have first hand experience with a product and am sharing that experience. If I engage in a conversation about a product I don't own, then it's because I want to hear both sides. But, don't expect that means I'm going to flip sides at the very first response, without pushing for more details and asking you to elaborate and back up your opinions if something you're saying doesn't jive with the rest of what I'm seeing/hearing/reading. That doesn't mean it's personal, or that I'm not listening. It just means you haven't convinced me otherwise yet. It's Debating 101.

Jhova90

Aug 8, 2019

KavikI finally pulled the trigger on this and I love be it. It's constructed very nicely and it's big, at least bigger than I thought it would be. I'm definitely happy with it tho. It's certainly worth it.

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