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ryanfaulkner
15
Sep 23, 2018
This tent in a 2 person version would be the tent I have always dreamt of!!!! -no poles in the middle (for using a 2 person quilt) -2 large side doors and vestibules ( so each hiker does not need to climb over each other) -no awkward-to-pack little poles (like in the TT Saddle or Sierra Designs Tensegrity) -super fast and simple rectangular pitch (like a real mid) -no huge sail-like side panels drooping in your face (SMD haven, GG Two and ZP Duplex) -doors only open over vestibule area so you don't get rain on the tent floor (issue with traditional mids) -Double walled so the inner can be left at home -Does not rely on any guy lines under normal conditions (I always seem to trip over these, haha) -No flaps for the zippers to get caught on! -under a kilo
So many trekking-pole tents have come close, but each has had a major drawback in my mind. The X-mid has seemed to resolve most of them and still remain simple, storm worthy, and ultralight. Not to mention at a very reasonable price! Very Good Work!
I own the Yama swift line 2 for when I backpack with my wife, because it was the closest I could find to my ideal tent at the time. It is an excellent shelter in almost every way except for being a bit fiddly to pitch, and only a single vestibule. The X-mid 2P would solve these problems and it could actually replace several of my other shelters too!
From what I can tell in the comments a 2P version would sell very well! Cant wait to see a mock up/floor plan. my only concern would be how wide it would turn out?
ryanfaulknerHi Ryan,
Obviously you've put some thought into understanding the X-Mid, which is great. I think when people really mull it over they realize there are some great advantages to the design. The whole thing is so simple yet super functional - there's no need to go with a complex design, which just end up heavier and harder to pitch.
As you mention, I think the X-Mid 2P is going to offer some great advantages over your Swiftline 2P. Due to the efficient geometry, the weight is going to be the same or slightly less, despite the X-Mid being a full double wall and a bit larger inner area (30.5 sq ft floor vs 28). And the X-Mid will be much simpler to pitch and offer dual vents, dual vestibules, no inward sloping side wall on the inner, no near vertical fly wall on one side and a fly that can extend right to the ground.
As for your question about width, I don't want to give away too much - especially since it's early in prototyping the these things are subject change, but here is the outline of the X-Mid 2P versus the Swiftline 2P. As you can see, they'd fit into similar sites:
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ryanfaulkner
15
Sep 23, 2018
dandurstonThat simple diagram is enough to get me excited! Cant wait! Do you have a estimate for the fly only weight at this point?? Im hoping it is close enough to the duomid/beta light shelters that it can also compete as a floor-less shelter. but as a complete shelter system under a kilo it will beat the lot!
ryanfaulknerHi Ryan,
Here is a comparison of the floor area of the X-Mid 1P, DuoMid, Beta Light and X-Mid 2P:
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The X-Mid 1P is already a very close comparison to the DuoMid. The DuoMid is 66 x 110, while the X-Mid is 67 x 100". So similar a width. The DuoMid is 10" longer which seems like a lot, but it actually needs to be much longer because it has a lot more end wall slope due to the single pole.
I tried out the X-Mid 1P today with two pads and it was quite reasonable for sleeping if you are willing to accept the common downsides of poles in the living space, just a bit of gear storage around the perimeter, and doors that let rain fall into parts of the sleeping area:
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They grey pad above is standard size. The yellow one is a women's pad (66" x 20").
So I think the X-Mid 1P competes well with the DuoMid tarp for 2P use. Both are 18oz. The DuoMid is longer but needs to be longer - the X-Mid 1P has vastly more headroom and total volume. It felt a lot more liveable for two than a DuoMid (I've owned three DuoMids). So for the same weight, the X-Mid has more substantially more total volume, dual doors and dual vents. The 19oz Beta Light is wider than the X-Mid 1P so there is more room for gear storage but it still has the common downsides of poles in the living space and doors that let rain fall into the living area.
As the top diagram shows, the X-Mid 2P tarp is a bit larger still and it is the only shelter mentioned here that eliminates these downsides. So the X-Mid 2P tarp will be a bit heavier than the Beta Light (likely 21oz vs 19oz) but it will offer no poles in the living area, doors that can be open in the rain, dual doors, dual vents, more floor area and more volume.
So basically the X-Mid 1P fly works well for a DuoMid style minimalist 2P tarp shelter, and then the X-Mid 2P fly would work well as a more liveable 2P tarp shelter where you'd have plenty of space to stash extra gear and a trekking pole free sleeping area that stays dry when the doors are open.