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All this complaining about what headphones originally used these drivers... Hey people don't have to buy them. If Hifiman don't want to disclose it's because they are not alone in this, they have distributors, distributors that probably still have in their inventories the headphone that this is based on. Distributors that might have paid even more than this BEFORE their margins. This has the potential to be as good or better than the original since the experience allows some tweeks, some mods, normally you don't do this for worse. If Hifiman say to Massdrop: "OK we do this great headphone for you at the price you want but to not completely kill the value of what's out there we don't say what it's based on". What is Massdrop suppose to say? Well I don't want it then? I believe everything will start to make more sense once some reviewers heard them. In the mean time... Just buy it or don't but look around what 169$ can get you in headphones. Nothing serious really. I know I'll wait and probably pass since I already have the 400is but this price does make it really really hard to go wrong, whatever drivers in their 400 line they chose.