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nnc-tlb
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Apr 17, 2017
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to cover a 104 ANSI layout I ending up with $103-121 (depending on drop points) for BASE, MODS, NUMPAD w/o S&H, taxes, customs, ... ? dasher & dancer was only $93 for a 104 ANSI and dasher & dancer is highly acclaimed doubleshot. (yes, I recognizing there are less keycaps as "choices" or "leftovers".) so the hopes of many addicts that competition for SP results in lower prices are gone.
Apr 17, 2017
nightdriver
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Apr 17, 2017
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this is the first group buy running with a brand new profile that cost $30,000 in tooling. i'm assuming they're trying to make up most or all of those costs in this buy. hopefully that means future buys using this profile will cost less. dyesub pbt often tends to be more than doubleshot abs anyway. pbt is harder to work with.
Apr 17, 2017
nnc-tlb
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Apr 17, 2017
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with 1000+ purchases after 3 hrs I believe this drop reach 2000+ customers (with MD's strange ordering system this will result in 10000+ kits / 7000+ purchases) - so with a markup of $30 per customer there are $60000 for the tooling.
Apr 17, 2017
dakl34
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Apr 17, 2017
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Doubt the ever trotted out $30k number. Its probably like 3k, its just plastic molds. no magic here. SO keyset= 100 plus actual keyboard $120 plus a aluminium shell= $150 total: $370
and how is this better than a IBM M?
Apr 17, 2017
nightdriver
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Apr 17, 2017
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if that's the math they're using, maybe the next set run on this profile could cost $30 less per set.
Apr 17, 2017
TelFiRE
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Apr 17, 2017
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"Oh nooo it's 10 extra dollars for a brand new completely exclusive profile how am I gonna get ten whole more dollars from my mom"
Damn ingrates
Apr 17, 2017
TelFiRE
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Apr 17, 2017
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You are economically illiterate. If it was just $3000 for the molds a lot more people would do it. People buy these all day long for anything under $250. It's because it actually costs a lot for the machinery to make high quality keycaps. Aside from the mold, the plastic itself isn't cheap. It's not made from recycled water bottles like your keys probably are.
This isn't the great depression. People can afford nice things. If you can't, maybe you should get to working instead of bitching about what other people do with their hard work.
Apr 17, 2017
Vigrith
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Apr 17, 2017
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Your conjecture is irrelevant. Your doubt is also irrelevant. At the end of the drop thousands of people will be happily awaiting their key sets and whether or not you believe their purchases are justified is absolutely moot.
Do you really think it's that cheap? The group's saving a (admittedly quite theoretical probably) sum of 35k as of right now, 3-4 hours after the drop opening, if it cost 3k why did this not get made like 2 years ago when Matt3o first started working on the idea? Why didn't you do it? Why didn't Joe from the block do it? 3k is nothing.
Your arguments are inherently flawed - how can you even remotely think comparing this to an actual Model M is reasonable? I feel there's no point even retorting, surely you can come to the conclusion yourself if you put some time in.
Apr 17, 2017
nightdriver
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Apr 17, 2017
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if you want a model m, go buy a model m. i'll be enjoying high profile spherical caps on zealio switches in TKL form factor. can't get any of that from a model m.
Apr 17, 2017
JohnRCooper
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Apr 17, 2017
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As I understand it, each brass mold cost them approximately $3000 to produce (molds cost SP more like $6000 each for SA), and this keycap family currently has 31 molds (and not every keycap shape is represented yet). There are more molds still yet to be made. So you do the math: $3000 x 31 = ?
And that's just the up front cost for the tooling before they can even begin to manufacture the little bits of plastic you and I are actually purchasing.
Apr 17, 2017
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