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CarmenOhio
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Apr 25, 2017
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I wish this was released with the all the keys that comes with a GMK set rather than all these separate sets. A 156 key GMK set has almost all the keys you would need for even most non-standard keyboards layouts. Having so many different sets ends up costing more for the customer, since it's difficult to meet to minimum quantities needed to meet the price drops. Also having two different colorways for the modifiers split up the quantities ordered. The TA modifiers should have been offered in round 2 instead of offering both beige and TA in the same drop. I would have to think having all the different sets makes it way more difficult for the manufacturer as well, and delays the ship date. It's practically a losing situation for everyone having so many different sets...
Apr 25, 2017
SpectreiiI
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Apr 26, 2017
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What about all of the average Joe's out there who are only able to afford this set because they don'the have to pay for all of those other extra keys? How many GMK TKL sets can be had for well under $100?
Apr 26, 2017
Archaist
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Apr 26, 2017
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Look at the comments, there are some people complaining they have to buy xyz kit with n keys they don't need. No solution is perfect here.
Apr 26, 2017
astra9
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Apr 26, 2017
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Agreed. I am one of the aforementioned "average Joes" and in order to get numpad keys, base set and modifiers I'm looking at $140+ (plus shipping). These are the caps I was hoping would drop. But at this price, I'm going to have to pass.
Apr 26, 2017
SpectreiiI
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Apr 26, 2017
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Amazingly, everyone else is able to get Base set, mods, and numpad for $116...
Apr 26, 2017
CarmenOhio
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Apr 26, 2017
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Look at it from a manufacturer's perspective. It costs the manufacturer a lot more to count up all the orders for all these different sets, manufacture different numbers for the different sets based on amount ordered, and then organize the sets based on what each customer ordered. It's a lot more work for the manufacturer, which means higher costs & more time, and it is the customer that will be paying for these added costs. A GMK set covers 95% of the keyboards out there and manufacturing a larger set makes ordering/manufacturing simpler. You, the consumer may think you're paying extra for keys you don't need, but simplifying ordering and manufacturing for the manufacturer saves a lot on costs and saves you money. The people who have smaller layout boards get extra keys which they can use down the road, and the people with TKL or full size boards get what they need for less.
Apr 26, 2017
CarmenOhio
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Apr 26, 2017
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GMK is expensive because it is a German company & German labor. Nothing manufactured in Europe is cheap. I would not expect GMK's process to be that much different than say Tai-Hao, Vortex, or EnjoyPBT but their costs will be significantly higher because they do not have Chinese labor. These MT3 keycaps are Chinese, and I would suspect the costs would be lower if the manufacturing was simplified by offering less custom sets.
Apr 26, 2017
SpectreiiI
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Apr 26, 2017
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You want to force people to buy a bunch of keys they don't want or need so you can save money on your set?
Apr 26, 2017
CarmenOhio
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Apr 26, 2017
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My point is that it saves everyone money by mass producing one set that's compatible with 95% of the keyboards out there. All these extra sets are special case manufacturing, and sorting, order organization, etc. that is involved with the complexity of offering so many options are added costs. Think of McDonalds and their slimmed menu to save on costs. Keeping costs low means low prices. You may think you're paying more for caps you don't need, but a lot of times if you mass produce a bigger set it's cheaper than buying a few small sets with all the added complexity and costs in the manufacturing and logistics.
Apr 26, 2017
Jebbra
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Apr 26, 2017
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You do realize this is the very first set on this profile, right? So maybe, just maybe, the actual margin will be left for totally new mould and the errs come out of it.
Apr 26, 2017
Stoyan0
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Apr 26, 2017
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and by the time 20% VAT has been added by customs?
Apr 26, 2017
consolation
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Apr 26, 2017
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These group buys have been done like this for years to cover as wide range of boards as possible; there is no way a 156 key set will cover 104, 108, TK, TKL, 60%, 75%, 40%, Preonick, Plank, ErgoDox in Dvorak, Coleman, ANSI, ISO, International,; to name just the major formats popular with the kind of people who buy 200$ keycap sets - You'd need some 300$ 200+ key monstrosity. This way, you get a lot higher number of potential buyers, which gets you more sets, which lowers your price; but these group buys will never get the numbers of the 50$ taihao market. The GMK sets do it by catering to more mainstream buyers who tend to have more commercial keyboards. Having said that, looks like this one is a bit of a record breaker, numbers wise. Judging by the questions, we are getting a lot of people new to the bespoke keycap scene.
Apr 26, 2017
astra9
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Apr 26, 2017
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Amazingly, everyone doesn't live in the USA and the American dollar isn't the only dollar around.
Apr 26, 2017
CarmenOhio
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Apr 26, 2017
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I agree with a lot that you said but at the same time, you have to draw the line somewhere because you can't possibly have compatibility for 100% of the keyboards out there. A 156 key set covers a lot of layouts, and the ones that it does not cover are very niche layouts. For this MT3 drop, you can see there are not a lot of orders for these niche layout compatibility sets and it doesn't lower the price for us by offering them in this case since the MOQ's are based on each individual set, not total number of sets ordered.
Apr 26, 2017
priyadi
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Apr 26, 2017
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90% of all GMK sets are incompatible with my keyboard (a Planck). When they are compatible, usually I have to buy an addon set anyway, and 70% of the base set are useless to me.
Here I only have to spend less than $70 to get what I want.
Apr 26, 2017
SpectreiiI
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Apr 26, 2017
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You said over $140. There isn't a single global marketplace in existence where that would be interpreted as any other currency than USD. We got another guy over here complaining about his local VAT. Massdrop is not responsible for your countries weak currency or high customs fees. You pay the price of globalisation regardless of who you buy from. None of these factors are relevant to the price points in the originating country. Go complain to your local governments.
Apr 26, 2017
CarmenOhio
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Apr 26, 2017
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You have a very valid point. My main complaint is that the way this drop is handled completely goes against the reason for having a group buy in the first place. Isn't the point of a group buy is to mass produce one item at high quantities to reduce the price for everyone involved in the group buy??? Offering different sets in different colors (TA + Beige, CMY + RGB) does nothing but increase the combinations possible and splits quantities. Might as well open a store for a short period with all these options offered instead of a "group buy" because hardly any sets besides the base kit + beige modifiers are achieving the MOQ for full price reduction.
Apr 26, 2017
nitrobackflip
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Apr 26, 2017
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That's, like, your opinon; man. Bottom line - no matter how a set is released, people are going to complain one way or the other. Everyone has a preference on how it 'should be done'. Personally, I'd rather spend my $150 (base, mods, num pad, novelties) on a unique, first-of-profile set and get to choose exactly what I want than spend $300 on, say, PuLSE SA.
Apr 26, 2017
Jebbra
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Apr 26, 2017
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Seems like there's a misunderstanding on "group buy" term here. At a point, yes it is a way to get things cheaper because we buy in bulk and distribute it by ourselves within the group. But in this case, it no longer can be called a "group buy" (yes people still call this a group buy everywhere), this, like many keysets drop from GMK and SP, is more like a "pre-order" than a "griup buy" because we fill the quota not to get discounted price but to make it happen. Yes, to produce not to reduce is the main concern here.
Apr 26, 2017
Masslol
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Apr 26, 2017
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Hurrr durrr durrrr. AMURRICAH!
Apr 26, 2017
OracleKev
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Apr 27, 2017
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Given the order volume is past 5000, I think the poster's initial suggestion is valid.  Bundling could spur additional volume, prop up volume for niche set.
That said, I don't think this is at a point to reap the benefit of Chinese labor cost though--development cost including new molds and volume still not that big.
Apr 27, 2017
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