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Hari_Seldon
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Mar 15, 2018
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Can someone please give a detailed review of feel/speed/accuracy with these caps? Curious if people are finding less strain or more strain while using them, etc. Thanks!
Mar 15, 2018
matt3o
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matt3o
Mar 16, 2018
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they are the best high-profile spherical top keycaps around... if you like high profile keycaps that is... technically/anecdotally/arguably standard cylindrical top keycaps (cherry layout and clones) are the most comfortable/accurate to type on.
let me stress on this: these are not keycaps for everybody. You have to like high profile keycaps. If in doubt don't get it.
Mar 16, 2018
steveowashere
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Mar 16, 2018
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Good guy matt3o: > makes new profile > doesn't force it on people.
Mar 16, 2018
Ennea
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Mar 16, 2018
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Speaking from personal experience: was in doubt (no previous high profile caps), got it anyway. Did not regret it at all. I'm loving MT3 so much, using it for my work keyboard.
Mar 16, 2018
matt3o
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matt3o
Mar 16, 2018
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yeah we put some effort in it :)
Mar 16, 2018
Hari_Seldon
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Mar 16, 2018
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“Arguably cylindrical keycaps are the most comfortable to type on” ...... didn’t I get enraptured in a video somewhere watching your long slender hands dance on mt3 while you contemplated how they were making love to your fingers?? 😂 How can a person not try these after witnessing that?!
Mar 16, 2018
Hari_Seldon
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Mar 16, 2018
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Ok I’m in the same boat, but have had hand surgery and have to be super careful about strain. I know it’s all personal etc but could you possibly give any details about the difference in feel/strain between these and a standard cherry set? (please mention if you float or have wrist rests)
Mar 16, 2018
Ennea
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Mar 16, 2018
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Comparing to Cherry/OEM won't be easy I'm afraid. I'm currently typing on MT3 at work and DSA at home, but have been typing on DSA for a while before /dev/tty arrived. I don't float, but don't have a wrist rest either, I just rest my wrists on my desk. Typing on DSA vs OEM causes some more strain if I recall correctly. DSA is pleasant still and I really love it overall, but I think the OEM caps I had before were ever so slightly more comfortable. Now, MT3 vs DSA is a whole different thing. MT3 just feels so damn comfortable, I'm not sure how to properly describe it. My hands' resting positions are perfect, typing feels amazing, all that fluff.
So if you ask me how MT3 compares to Cherry, I suppose it is also more comfortable than Cherry. To me at least.
Mar 16, 2018
Hari_Seldon
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Mar 16, 2018
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I read a weird comment somewhere, and want to clarify something before I purchase: does the profile change across the keyboard? For example, are all home row kecaps the same or do they subtly change as you move to the edges of the board? Like are the A and the G identical caps? Thank you kindly.
Mar 16, 2018
matt3o
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matt3o
Mar 16, 2018
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I'm glad someone actually watched that :D
The keycaps are sculpted with (some) ergonomics in mind. So for example the top row is easier to reach because it is taller and more slanted. They are definitely better than SA for example, we put quite some effort in designing the right angle for each row.
How many hours/day do you use the keyboard and for what kind of job?
Mar 16, 2018
dvorcol
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Mar 16, 2018
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All keycaps in a specific row have the same profile. With the exception of vertical keys spanning two rows (numpad “ENTER” and “+“ as well as ISO “ENTER”, and some vertical 2u and 1.5u on an ErgoDox layout).
Mar 16, 2018
Hari_Seldon
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Mar 16, 2018
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I‘m doing a fair bit of coding for work and then some writing on my free time. Pretty much constantly at the computer these days. I‘m ordering a Preonic and a Viterbi to experiment with ortholinear colemak. I honestly don’t know if either the ortho or the colemak will stick, but I’m in the process of experimenting with every aspect of the keyboard to alleviate strain, including switches and keycaps (Hako springs in Box switches are winning that game). I float style type, and so far prefer non-slippery keycaps with sharper more defined edges. I arch my fingers more than my colleagues due to being a piano and bass player. I’ve never touched SA so cant compare.
Mar 16, 2018
dvorcol
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Are you OK coding without a dedicated numpad? I don’t like toggling it on and off all the time, and using the number row really slows me down.
Mar 16, 2018
Hari_Seldon
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Mar 16, 2018
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I’ve been pondering that. I’m coming from the pure math/neuroscience side of things, where a long romance with chalkboards has taken place. The past few years of mining brain data I unfortunately just used whatever sleek body-destroying apple product was put in front of me. I am only now beginning to code more extensively (because paycheques are fun), and I had assumed with the ortho layouts I would either gravitate towards an ortho75 with centred numpad or Viterbi with standalone numpad. I’ve never used layers so I don’t know yet though. Heck this may be one large experiment to understand why staggered QWERTY is the best for me. I have my doubts about that though, it’s felt awful ever since I was learning dos and exploring the bbs ~*~
Mar 16, 2018
Hari_Seldon
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Mar 17, 2018
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And tbh for coding I'm more worried about the symbols slowing me down than the numbers, not sure what to do about that. Looking at programmers colemak, and some interesting layouts on the xd75re, heck I’ve even been looking intently at tipro rigs. It’s really only data entry in the lab where I found myself extensively utilizing the numpad.
Mar 17, 2018
John_1
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Mar 17, 2018
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I prefer beamspring/selectric spherical caps over MT3, SA, Hipro and Cherry. The top edges on real beamspring caps are more comfortable, however, I still like MT3 and prefer them over Cherry. If you have thick fingers then you may want to stick with Cherry profile.
Mar 17, 2018
Hari_Seldon
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Mar 17, 2018
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My fingers are neither violinist-thin nor meat-hook thick. For the different cherry caps I prefer sharper edges with deeper better defined concavity, and less slippery surface (being a floater typist I lose my place if it’s too slippery). Do you float or use wrist rests? Are you touch-typing? Can you stay up to speed over 100wpm with low error rate with the Mt3? I wonder .... I don’t suppose you have exact measurements of the spherical indent on these caps?
Mar 17, 2018
John_1
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Mar 17, 2018
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I touch type and float or us a wrist rest depending on the board and how much typing I have to do. I usually float on steep boards with high profile caps. I took a few shots with my phone. The top edges are much sharper on MT3 (and not in a good way).
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Mar 17, 2018
dvorcol
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Mar 17, 2018
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Is your first photo of MT3, and your second and third of beamspring/selectric spherical caps?
Mar 17, 2018
John_1
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Mar 17, 2018
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Yes that is correct. The second and third shots are from my IBM 5251 beamspring.
Mar 17, 2018
Hari_Seldon
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Mar 17, 2018
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Cool thanks. Love the pics!! My only experience with old spherical caps is a Kaypro IV lying around, not the best gauge of spherical. Something about it definitely is not easy to use. I did find the edges grabbing my fingertips a bit ... but I also enjoyed a sense of increased precision, I couldn’t sort of slide around like on cherry. I am assuming with time I would be more precise on spherical with less errors. Don’t know though. Seems like the top edges should be a bit less sharp than the side edges on a spherical cap, Yes? (the beamspring looks glorious)
Mar 17, 2018
Hari_Seldon
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Mar 17, 2018
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I can’t tell if there’s an optical illusion or not because of the larger font on the beamspring - which has the larger top surface?
Mar 17, 2018
John_1
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Mar 17, 2018
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Assuming you hit the caps dead center every time the MT3 tops are bigger. IMO, using them side by side the beamspring caps catch my fingers better and are more forgiving when keys are hit off center. I hit the edges more often using the MT3 which reduces surface area, accuracy and comfort. IBM probably spent a ton of cash on R&D and perfected the shape through trial and error. If I'm not mistaken the MT3 profile was modeled from a 5251 or 3278.
Mar 17, 2018
dvorcol
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Mar 17, 2018
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Here is the MT3's design background straight from Matt3o: https://matt3o.com/about-mt3-profile-and-devtty-set/
I couldn't find any mention of the 5251 or 3278.
Mar 17, 2018
John_1
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Mar 17, 2018
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The 3278 is mentioned about half way down in the original MT3 thread here- https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/hi-profile-pbt-dye-sub-the-time-has-come-t10805-240.html
I haven't kept up to date with it so I'm not sure if it was changed at some point.
Mar 17, 2018
Hari_Seldon
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Mar 17, 2018
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Thanks for the reply! Those beamspring boards looks just awesome. How hard is it to find a decent 5251 and convert it to contemporary use?
Mar 17, 2018
John_1
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Mar 17, 2018
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It seems like finding a good condition 5251 or 3278/79 is getting harder and harder due to rising demand. These days you need a lot of luck or a lot of money. They are extremely easy to convert and set up on a modern computer. Chyrosran goes over the process in this video- https://youtu.be/1qw6ebySet0?t=7m38s
Here is a quick gallery I made when I found mine- https://imgur.com/a/VItoK
Mar 17, 2018
Gomm
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Mar 18, 2018
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....sorry, Be a poor linguist my keyboard-tenkeyless
Base Kit + RGB Kit + Beige Novelties -> not Tab keycap;; add Tab keycap(RGB Kit) Want to add
Mar 18, 2018
CydTrevellion
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Mar 20, 2018
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After seeing that, I need Dolch for MT3...
Mar 20, 2018
John_1
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Mar 20, 2018
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Hopefully Massdrop will invest in MT3 double shot abs molds so a wider variety of colors can be produced. They could give SP a run for thier money.
Mar 20, 2018
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