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harpo1
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Apr 29, 2019
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Looks like they geared these towards IOS devices. No AptX, AptX HD or LDAC. Come on now Drop this is 2019 and these are becoming standard bluetooth codec for audio products.
kageurufu
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Apr 29, 2019
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harpo1Yeah, same. I was really excited until I saw the lack of AptX HD. Get your stuff together Drop!
ViperGeek
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Apr 29, 2019
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harpo1Good catch! AAC was a great codec in 2009, but aptX (or aptX-HD) should be minimum requirements in this decade.
Jyri
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Apr 29, 2019
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harpo1Android supports AAC as well.
For aptX, aptX HD or LDAC - they are not that commonly supported by True Wireless chipsets. Mainly because their battery consumption is significantly higher and their Bluetooth connection reliability is lower (due to more data is transferred).
If considering from practical point of view - yes there are customers who would love to have support for these codecs but that would mean much higher price point as well as other drawbacks, few written above.
HwoALanG
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Apr 29, 2019
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harpo1Agreed. however, after doing some research, its really hard to AptX HD Support with true wireless earbuds(meaning no wire what so ever)
it will be nice to have least ApX support.
NoNeedForSpeed
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Apr 30, 2019
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HwoALanGIt seems like a lot of Indiegogo buys lately have been true wireless buds for under $100 with AptX.
After having it on my current Bluetooth earbuds, I don't want to go back to something without.
SamsaraT
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Apr 30, 2019
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NoNeedForSpeedIf your device supports AAC it is just as good as aptX; in fact most tech people praise AAC over aptX for its decompression prowess on the receiver side.
When my phone is connected to a receiver with aptX and AAC, it will default to AAC.
Having A/B’d both codecs there’s nothing in it, if your phone supports AAC as any modern Android device does don’t think twice about it.
The real-life value of aptX HD and LDAC are what’s more debatable actually, these codecs act like DSP and make people think they are hearing more when they are often just noticing subtle FR differences.
Drizzt321
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Apr 30, 2019
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SamsaraTFrom a posting above by @chford https://www.soundguys.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-bluetooth-headphones-aac-20296 shows there are some issues with Android implementations sometimes, and given the relatively heavy processing AAC requires can sometimes lead to poorer results due to battery saving/prioritization and such. aptX/aptX HD is preferable in general for wider compatibility, but it is good to have an option to use something that may sound superior to each individual person.
SamsaraT
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May 1, 2019
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Drizzt321Great read, thanks! That’s a rabbit hole I’ll dive into.
CEE_TEE
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May 1, 2019
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harpo1Hey Everyone,
Seeing a lot of discussion on file encoding (codecs) and thought I would share some development decisions behind the ones used.
SBC is on everyone’s devices and is designed to be efficient: less energy, lower latency. Phone operating systems may want to prioritize battery life or some apps/phones may lag when watching video. Try SBC if you have any of these issues to see if SBC helps. (SBC may also be preferred to a higher data rate codec if that other codec has to be converted into a native phone codec.)
The AAC implementation on a device can cause some variance in performance but we’ve found it solid on the Android devices we’ve tested.
We haven’t seen any true wireless IEMs use AptX HD or LDAC yet, presumably because of battery life or other trade-offs.
Thank you for the discussion and interest!
Drizzt321
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May 1, 2019
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CEE_TEEFrom a pure audio quality, https://www.rtings.com/headphones/learn/sbc-aptx-which-bluetooth-codec-is-the-best, looks like in non-perceptual, SBC and aptX are more or less the same. Says it needs more evaluation with Perceptual Evaluation of Audio Quality and Perceptual Objective Listening Quality tests.
However, aptX LL is MUCH better when it comes to latency, so those watching videos/playing games may very well want/need aptX LL. So for some, aptX LL will certainly matter! So aptX LL might be reasonably a priority.
From a perceptual standpoint, I'd be really interested on SBC vs aptX vs AAC. I imagine AAC probably, overall, is best but if aptX is not far behind and more power efficient, then it'd be very nice to support aptX.
Drizzt321
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May 1, 2019
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CEE_TEEAny real-world comparisons with the NuForce EDC3 would be very welcome, as that's what I have now. Overall don't generally consider doing BT, but I'm open for one I know will sound good, and not be terribly expensive/overpriced.
Chewtiger
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May 1, 2019
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harpo1Thanks for this comment, I didn't know anything about Android's poor AAC performance beforehand, you saved me from a poor purchase there. Yeah the lack of AptX is a real downer, maybe next time they will get it right.
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