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Jisheng
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Sep 14, 2021
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I've been very vocally supportive of the HD 8XX in the past as the concept of the tuning(less treble, more bass) was something that I did want. In fact, the first few reviews not from Crinacle or DMS had the retuned headphones in a fairly well positioned place. Purr1n had great things to say about it. Once Crinacle's review came out though, it seems that general sentiment towards the retune shifted into the negatives. Over at SBAF, Purr1n made a very good point about all of this: Everyone who reviews headphones has their own preferences.  While Purr1n and Crinacle agreed on certain headphones, they'll disagree on others based on tonality. Similarly, DMS and Crinacle had certain headphones they'll have different interpretations on as well. For instance, for their reviews of the Audio Technica M40X, DMS calls it a V-shaped and analytical headphone while Crinacle says it's neutral with a bass boost and has very poor detail and imaging. There was someone on Drop who loved to shit on the HD8XX based on the graphs and bragged about their LCD-X purchase but doesn't seem to realize that Crinacle gave the LCD-X the exact same score as the HD8XX with a D- in Tonality and an A+ in technicality for a total score of C-. Purr1n had stated that the HD8XX would be great for people who like the Audeze house sound ironically enough.  In the end, sound is extremely subjective. I generally try to look at reviews with a grain of salt knowing that one person's view, or hearing in this case, would not match mine completely. To that end, I resolved myself to hold onto my order as the price was still reasonable. I was never going to use the balanced cable supplied by Sennheiser anyways as I bought one from Hart Audio Cable already. I wasn't able to find something I was willing to get for the $200 in Drop credit up to this point but I figured I would find something eventually. At the worst, I would order a key cap set or something. At $1,100 + tax, it was still a pretty good deal even with the scoop in the mids.  Having said that, it's tough to pass over the deal from Sennheiser especially with the $200 in Honey Gold. This makes the original HD800S just $100 higher than the 8XX when factoring in the extra 4% cash back. To this regard, I have canceled my HD8XX order. Instead of trying to find something on Drop to spend the $200 credit on, I can convert the Honey Gold into Paypal credit to directly pay off part of the headphones as opposed to buying more items. And, as loathe as I am to admit it, but I felt safer in a way buying straight from Sennheiser. If Drop changes the tuning or this is revised to the HD800S at the end, I’d be conflicted.  Edit: I should add that Drop being $100 cheaper is including the credits on both. If we're looking at pure out-of-pocket costs, buying it straight from Sennheiser could be cheaper since you can convert the Honey Gold to PayPal Credit.
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Sep 14, 2021
Sense
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Sep 14, 2021
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Not for nothing…but I lurk at SBAF and the guy there was one of the guys who gave feedback on a tuning mule. Of course Zeos (who also gave feedback on the tuning mules) and the guy from SBAF are going to like the tuning they picked. Their opinions are partially what put us in this position. If they really wanted to help the community they would have told Drop that it’s a bad idea to change the tuning of something that over 990 people had already pre-ordered…but ultimately I don’t think that Drop picked the right people to demo the tuning mules with. I don’t know the SBAF guy at all…but Zeos just isn’t the “GoldenEars” type of guy. His thing is that everything sounds the same to him so buy the cheapest thing. he’s also just entertaining to listen to even if his impressions aren’t highly weighted by the headphone community. His impressions of the new tuning did nothing to changes sales numbers…DMS’ review led to a loss of 75 pre-orders. He clearly is viewed as more trustworthy than anyone else who has spoken about these in video or text. To me that thread on SBAF simple devolved into crying about a incorrect tweet that was later clarified and corrected. At the end of the day…I think drop overestimate the demand for anything new in the 800 range. It’s just not on anyone’s radar anymore. People buy the Arya instead of the 800s these days. Doesn’t make it a bad headphone…I was interested in the 8XX because I wanted to compare it to my Arya that I ended up picking up instead of the HD800s.
Sep 14, 2021
AyLucid
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Sep 15, 2021
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Agreed, purchasing directly through Sennheiser with the 10% code + Honey Gold is too good to risk on this drop. The total price difference for me was nearly identical and Sennheiser includes the balanced cable so technically you come out ahead. Unfortunately I already purchased an after market cable. If it wasn't for the final tuning changes I would have gone through with this drop.
Sep 15, 2021
Jisheng
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Sep 15, 2021
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Well, the guy from SBAF is Purr1n and yeah, everyone has their own preferences and he certainly chose his based on his comments. We don’t know how many people and who else were involved in choosing the current tuning for Drop to make this decision. The reality of the situation is that there will never be the “right people” to choose the correct tuning. People enjoy different tonalities. The retune did bring in new orders while some other orders were canceled.     Also, correlation is not causation. The reduction in pre-orders could have a multitude of reasoning such as being influenced by Crinacle rather than DMS, uncertainty about the warranty, worry about the sale of the consumer audio division of Sennheiser, or just finding a better deal as posted below by Astronomy. By making the claim that DMS alone influenced the cancelation of orders could also apply to the idea that Purr1n’s review alone caused the preorders to go from low 900s to over 1K. No, there was a combination of factors including people who liked what they saw in the FR graph, people who trusted Purr1n, and people who trusted Project86, and other positive reviews that brought up the purchases. Similarly, it was many factors that led to the pre-orders going down and DMS was just one of many.    
Sep 15, 2021
Sense
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Sep 15, 2021
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I can agree to that. Still waiting on some sort of confirmation that this tuning is the horse Drop is 100% sure they are putting their money on. They have lost 87 per-orders in 4 days…I’m pretty blown away that they haven’t said anything.
Sep 15, 2021
Brian_Fu
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Sep 15, 2021
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Isn't SBAF known to love things that sound to the warm side? That would explain a lot of things with this new tuning actually.
Sep 15, 2021
Sense
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Sep 15, 2021
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How do you get the honey credit? I’m not familiar with Honey. Do I just sign up and it’s there?
Sep 15, 2021
Jisheng
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Sep 17, 2021
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It's account dependent from what I understand. After clicking on the extension, it'll tell you if you have any Honey Exclusive Gold offers.
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Sep 17, 2021
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