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Kavik
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Apr 29, 2019
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@JonasHeineman
Why in the world would this cost so much more than your other offerings made from the same blade material and full titanium slab handles??
Did I miss the memo where micarta became more valuable and more costly to machine than Ti?
Kavik
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Apr 30, 2019
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JDM_GTNot saying it is just that..
But micarta isn't hard to find, and isn't expensive
I believe it's much easier on the mill than titanium
We're talking a punched or water jet titanium liner here (insanely cheaper than 1/4" titanium, or whatever stock they use for things like the Buc and Dao)
And simple rounded edges on the micarta
Nothing i see to put it $60 over the cost of the Dao... That's excessive
mikael22
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Apr 30, 2019
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KavikNice shot between a clear and lucid man and a "young" fanboy under the influence of marketing.
@JonasHeineman: as for the previous Terzuola drop, will his name disappear from the blade on the final product?
JDM_GT
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Apr 30, 2019
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mikael22"drop" are only competing against themselves. look at any other brand with the same materials/size and build quality. these prices are low compared. I see a better knife over anything cheaper that has come before. (made by WE). have a look at chaves knives, a micarta version or any inlay material costs more vs a ti slab version. I actually am on the fence at $200 too. that is getting close to a nice production WE knife.
mikael22
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Apr 30, 2019
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JDM_GTThe price is so ridiculous that I'm afraid Massdrop and WE Knife will soon go bankrupt !
T.willy
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Apr 30, 2019
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KavikI thought the same thing about the prices creeping up once the saw the cost of this one. I have to say I'm very pleased with the D-Pivot as apposed to them Laser etching the whole name MASSDROP across the blade.😲Needless to say I'll probably get one of these before the drop ends lol. ✌
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Kavik
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Apr 30, 2019
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JDM_GTA micarta inlay into a titanium slab, yes, absolutely, i can see why that is more expensive.
But not micarta scales over titanium liners. That's a MUCH simpler and less expensive process.
The Gent, though a slightly smaller knife overall, was done exactly this way with G10 for half this price.
That's my gripe. It's not how it compares to other knives on the market by other makers, it's that MD/Drop seems to have no consistency in how they set their pricing from one model to the next, even when using the same manufacturer.
The easiest example being :
Why was the Dao more expensive than the Buc when they were launched? No one knows, they were practically identical. (if anything, the Buc had more steel in the blade)
Slightly more complicated here, i know, but I'm sure you understand what I'm getting at.
Kavik
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Apr 30, 2019
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T.willyOn that we can definitely agree. The new logo and placement is classy, a definite step up.
And i am excited to see them branching out into different materials.
Just getting weary of seeing them test the waters on what the market will bear.. With prices going up even when costs of materials used goes down
T.willy
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Apr 30, 2019
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KavikNo question that's exactly what there doing. by doing so I believe there slowly but surely pushing there selves away from what made them so unique and exciting to buy from.
GeorgeMX
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May 1, 2019
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KavikMaterial is not the only consideration by far when pricing a knife. You know how many knife makers sell $200 dollar knives with D2 steel? (Brous, Bastinelli, ect.) While you can buy a D2 knife for $30? Steel is one of the most important considerations. Top class designer selling a unique offering. This knife is priced appropriately.
ecoleman
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May 1, 2019
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KavikIt seems like the generic "we've adjusted pricing on past MD collabs and are reevaluating things going forward" is all we'll get. While I don't think this one is overpriced, the real appeal of past collaborations was the value per dollar, it's a shame that seems to be going away.
Kavik
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May 1, 2019
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GeorgeMXI understand all that, and I'm not specifically saying it's overpriced in comparison to other makers...prices will always fluctuate between manufacturers, no way to do a strict 1:1 comparison on that.
I'm saying it's priced significantly higher than other knives produced by Drop and manufactured by WE, while using less expensive materials...which feels odd to me.
If the answer is the cost is higher due to the involvement of the designer, and his "cut" for the design, that could be a fair answer to explain *part* of the increase.
But on a strict side by side of two knives, with the same branding, made by the same manufacturer, using the same blade material, of comparable size, would you not expect the model with full Ti handles to cost more than the one with thin Ti liners and micarta scales?
I certainly would.
If so, comparing to the Dao/Buc, that should put this model below $140 before taking the designer's name into consideration.
(yes, this blade has a secondary grind that also increases manufacturing costs a bit, but it also doesn't have a blade cutout or a titanium backspacer, so I would call that a wash, even though it's probably still in the Dao/Buc's favor)
Is it reasonable to be adding $60-80 (or more) on top of each and every knife for the name?
And I mean that as a legitimate question, I don't mean this to be insulting. I understand we're talking about a well respected designer, that just feels like a steep increase in my gut
Again, it's not that it's crazy overpriced compared to other knives "out in the wild", it's that we seem to be losing the *great* value knives that MD used to be known for, and steadily moving into just average deals
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jpkeb
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May 2, 2019
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GeorgeMXWhile the statement that price is a combination of materials, manufacturing, design, ect. is true, this price isn't consistent with Drop's other offerings. The other Terzuola folder seems nearly identical in terms of construction, with the only difference being the G10 in place of the micarda here. That knife is selling here for $150 and would ship tomorrow. With both of them sharing the same designer, manufacturer, titanium liners, S35VN blade steel, and seemingly similar amounts of machining (the CTF has a fuller while this has the second bevel), the $50 jump in price after the pre-order run seems a little strange.
The updated pivot is nice, but I can hardly imagine that would justify any increase in price.
Kavik
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May 3, 2019
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jpkeb^this guy gets it
I didn't even think to look up and compare to the other Terzuola, because I don't own that one
P. S.
That one was +$25 for CF, whereas this one is +$20
So, do we assume they value micarta at $5 more than G10? Or is that another randomly selected price?
If that's an actual material cost difference, that's even a little lower than I expected
P. P. S.
And i still don't see how they're valuing that one over the price of the Dao/Buc....but it does seem to make a pretty clear 1:1 comparison here between these two at least
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Kavik
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May 8, 2019
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KavikStill catching up on days of comments around here while I was on vacation and browsing less...
But all I see is still no comment from the company about the massively inconsistent pricing structure, but further costs saved by confirmation that there won't even be serialization on the first run of this one like every other collab here has had?
That's sad 😕
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