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Impressive piece of kit. No preouts is rather disappointing though, so I think a Jotunheim is a better value. It has more power, preouts, and the distortion is still well below being at all audible.
Price difference? Like compare $350 to Jutenheim's euro (here) 465 and £420, without DAC. Tho the import fee and wait.. might be worth anyways on the 789?
Whether it is worth it or not is something only you can decide. Both are very good amps, and even though the lower distortion on the Massdrop amp will not make an audible difference vs the Jotunheim, it is a very impressive spec. I want to be able to run both headphones and speakers, so I need preouts.
Good response there. I do not need the preouts as is, has been having an eye at Jutenheim for a while and this drop came.. If there are any left when decided ill join.
I agree on the pre outs even though i only need the pass through as i have kanto yu5s that have their own volume control. The only thing though is the jot colors the sound a little and from what iv heard leans slightly bright. Anyway maybe if enough of us request the preout feature they will add it. Its a long way out before it gets shipped.
Jotunheim doesn't color the sound. If you think it does, you aren't an objectivist and this amp isn't for you.
So... if I’m new to all this, how would I know if this amp is for me, because I don’t know what an objectivist is. (I joined the drop)
An objectivist is someone that believes in scientific data over subjective impressions. Human perceptions are very unreliable, so objectivists prefer to use measurements to evaluate gear. This has the huge advantage of weeding out a lot of the audiophile placebo-induced nonsense (see stereophile's review for magic tube rings for a great example of this), but has the disadvantages of having many audiophiles angry at you for not believing that they have infallible perceptual skills and that measurements are not always available.
Colour the sound? No, it does nothing of the sort. The whole "bright" thing is placebo, nothing more.
Makes sense, thanks for the explanation.
Would this amp be just as good as the Jot? If you look at the specs it seems the Jot has more power, but in terms of the THD differences would my ears be able to discern a difference between either if a A/B test were to be done? Also is the Jot balanced like this amp is?
You may hear a difference sighted, but almost certainly not blind. Pick the one that looks nicer, or has the features you prefer. The one you want to own will likely be the one that sounds better to you (sighted).
Jot is balanced through and through, including the built-in dac if you buy it. It also has balanced preamp outs, which is important to some.
Well, as of right now my budget isn’t capable of spending 500 on the Jot amp/dac combo (spent too much last month lmfao), even though the preamp outs may be important to me because I do want to invest in higher quality speakers in the near future, say a couple of months from now.
So if I go with the thx 789 amp what would be a good dac to pair with it? I heard future down in this discussion page that massdrop is already working on a dac with the same housing as this amp. But even then, some suggestion would be great.
In terms of amp performance, yes, they are pretty much equal. Human ears generally cannot detect harmonic distortion that totals below one percent, and some anecdotal evidence suggests that at lower frequencies, the threshold is even higher. Minor quibble: A/B testing is not actually enough to prevent placebo effects; what you want is an ABX test, where you have two known options, then a third unknown which you have to identify. Yes, the Jotunheim is balanced front to back. Schiit's Pivot Point design is actually a really neat idea.
Budget-friendly balanced DACs are not easy to come by. If you are okay with the possibility of only being able to use the Single-ended output of the amp (remember that balanced only offers more power; its noise rejections is worthless for high level signals, like what would be going to headphones, unless you live inside a microwave oven), the Topping D30 is a great DAC for cheap.
Just as I thought, but it is nice knowing with this amp you won't be able to detect distortion with almost any iems or headphones you plug into it, and it has evidence to back those numbers up which is awesome.
The choice is even harder between these two amps, at least for me. The price of this one seems really good for what it is offering, but the almost but not certain, six month wait makes me want to just pull the trigger on the Jot... Massdrop really makes you want to blow your head off at times hahaha.
I could be wrong, but I was pretty sure balanced out worked with SE inputs.
Be careful with IEMs. Some are so sensitive, like my IM02s, that they can pick up amp noise. My IM02s are so sensitive, that I can actually hear the volume pot turning. I recommend picking up an iFi Ear Buddy or Garage1217 Attenuator Adapter when using super sensitive (like, 106dB/mW or more) stuff with desktop gear.
I am on the same boat. Having a pair of studio monitors connected to this amp for volumn control and headphone duty would make this an instant buy for me. Right now debating if I need another headphone amp, though this one would likely be the cleanest one I have and the price is right.