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I'm seeing quite a few comments about those with more problems being "more vocal" but as someone with the same BT problems many here have experienced, it's actually strangely comforting to hear that it's more widespread and not just me being overly picky.
There needs to be certain level of tolerance of defects and I think Will said <1%. However, I'm also finding it hard to gel that figure with the no. of complaints in the discussion thread for only ~4k+ backers on IGG. We're getting pretty close to that figure with just those that have commented. I'm quite sure not all those with problems are represented here either.
The BT audio quality was supposed to be indiscernible from a wired experience, and that was what I was willing to get behind. I didn't post a single complaint about the shipping delays and even paid separate shipping for my boom mic (which arrived a few weeks before my Pandas lol), just because I was willing to support this and couldn't be bothered to kick up a fuss even though that was quite annoying.
To be fair, headphones still sound great wired up, USB-C was a nice inclusion by team. Are the the Pandas the best sounding BT headphones? Probably. But that still doesn't mean I should buy them and put up with the BT problems. It's about the whole package and there are plenty of audio alternatives for the price. It's not all Bose and Sony ANC.
Pls also stop telling these customers to buy XM4s instead, I've seen that response more than once. I still wouldn't buy those but that doesn't mean I would buy the Pandas in this state either. For reference, I also have Oppo PM-3s, so forgive me if I'm not blown away by the audio quality. I wasn't even expecting to be, I just wanted it to work as advertised.
Hi, been thinking of getting these both for wired and wireless use, but since reading the comments here the wireless side of things, I’m having second (third even) thoughts now.
I also own the Oppo PM3, so if I buy this just for wired use, how does it compare to that regarding the default (no DAC) sound signature? If it sounds just slightly better than the Oppo then I’ll hold off, as can’t be spending 400 on something which I’ll only use wired.
or a better question yet: knowing what you do now about the Pandas, would you still buy it if you have the PM3 already? Appreciate your thoughts bud. Thanks.
Heys I've only tested wired via USB-C with the internal amp. Haven't had the chance to test in-depth with other amps wired up.
If you thought that the PM3 lacked some bass extension, the Pandas will hit the spot. However, there's something about the instrument separation that feels off. It's almost too well separated which makes it sound unnatural for acoustic music. I think that's what gives the impression of a bigger soundstage vs PM3 but this is very subjective.
What I'm more sure of is that the Pandas sacrifice some of the PM3's sweet transparency in its tuning. Some say the PM3's are boring but that what I really liked about them.
Overall, Panda has a slightly more punchy and fun sound signature. I would say it works well for a commuter audio experience. But for home wired use, it's nothing to shout about, esp since u have the PM3.
Comfort-wise, as many mentioned, the headband isn't great. PM3's are more comfortable but that might be just a factor being broken in.
TL:DR I would not buy this again BUT I'm still waiting for Drop support to get back to me and that might change if the BT problems are fixable. I bought this specifically for BT with that convenient high quality audio for wireless home and commuter use. Wired performance does not matter to me at all (since it was supposed to be just as good wireless anyway). If you're looking specifically for an audio upgrade, you will be disappointed. It's not bad, just slightly different and not worth an additional purchase.
Thanks for the straight up reply Han45, really appreciate it. I guess this will be off my list for now, until as you say, the issues are fixed. For 400, this is not for the average Joe, so they should fix it really. Now, to continue my hunt for the Focal Stellia, none in UK stores I’ve phone so far....