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Ztrain1234
5
Jul 22, 2019
Is the floor material strong enough to use without a ground sheet?
Ztrain1234Yes. The idea with this material is that it's strong enough to use in normal conditions without the weight/hassle of the groundsheet because you're not really getting ahead (lighter, simpler) if you use a super light floor and then have to use a groundsheet. With that said, sharp rocks and sticks can damage the floor so you do want to choose a reasonable tent site, quickly inspect for sharp objects and use a groundsheet if you're going to be camping on harsh surfaces like gravel, granite etc.
Ztrain1234
5
Jul 23, 2019
dandurstonThank you for the response Dan!
Cardamomtea
588
Jul 23, 2019
Ztrain1234I've always used a groundsheet in the past, but I wanted to test the durability of this tent's floor, so I did not use one. I kicked away a few pinecones for sleep comfort purposes, but otherwise I was no where near as cautious as I'd normally be, and I have had zero punctures. I'm very confident in this material! As Dan said, sharp rocks will damage just about every modern tent material, so always check where you're setting up and remove sharp objects. I have a nice cut on my hand from moving a rock! I didn't even feel it happen... I just looked at my hand and my skin was apart! That rock could cut anything.
Ztrain1234
5
Jul 23, 2019
CardamomteaI really appreciate the feedback. I'm just starting out with getting into backpacking. I'm still collecting gear. This will be my first tent. I placed the order last night. I'm very excited!
ER-RN
38
Jul 25, 2019
Ztrain1234If you decide you want one, get a piece of tyvex, lay it under the tent when pitched and then cut the tyvex to the exact shape/size of the inner tent. Leave your vestibule area not included that way splash back rain doesn’t find its way under you while you sleep.
Cardamomtea
588
Jul 25, 2019
Ztrain1234That's awesome! You're worlds ahead where I started from -- my first tent was over 5lb including a groundsheet! It takes time to build up a backpacking kit. Reddit ultralight gear trade & backpackinglight geartrade are great places to score some deals, but sometimes you can buy a brand new item for less than used if you wait for Drop to drop it (...my Thermarest pads :-D). If you don't already have a stove, and can wait a few months until another drop, the Soto WindMaster is fantastic. I also love the Katadyn BeFree and Steripen for water treatment, MSR WindPro II for below freezing cooking, Toaks or Keith 500mL - 600mL titanium pot. 1L SmartWater bottles instead of Nalgenes :-) REI silkweight long underwear (100% silk, amazing price!), SmartWool 250 for cooler temps, lightweight down hoody for any trip above 25F overnight, and OR Helium pants & jacket for rain/snow/wind unless it's going to rain for a lot of the trip, then use more serious rain protection. DarnTough or injinjis for socks, and Altras for shoes. Mountain Laurel Designs headnet if you might be hiking where there's a lot of bugs. If you have crazy amounts of bugs, "The Original Bugshirt" not ultralight (not heavy either, but it's bulky) but effective. If you hike where there's ticks or mosquitoes, but especially ticks, treat your clothes with permethrin (buy a DIY kit from Sawyer, etc or mail your clothes to InsectShield for their treatment). Sorry for my rambling, I just love my gear & like to share what works! Everyone has their own preferences :-D
Ztrain1234
5
Jul 25, 2019
CardamomteaI dont blame you. I really enjoy looking at the gear. I already have a snow peak titanium pot and msr pocket rocket 2. I love my darn tough socks! I have heard others use the smart water bottles. I was going to pair that with a Sawyer squeeze and the smart water sport cap. My next big purchase is going to be my sleeping pad (thinking Nemo tensor insulated pad) and possibly a quilt. I am a side sleeper.
mimigingerbread
5
Jul 28, 2019
Ztrain1234That’s a great pad!