Drop X-Mid 2P Tent Designed by Dan Durston Discussions | Drop

Mar 14, 2020

Happy to announce fly+inner+stuff sack came in at 38.1 oz. Over an ounce under spec.

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Mar 14, 2020

evincent220Awesome! That should be about 37.5oz / 1066g without the 14g stuff sack (versus 38.8oz / 1100g spec). I've seen 9 other weights and they were all 1063 - 1090g for the fly + inner, so it is looking like these are coming in at 0.5 - 1.5 oz lighter than spec. I'm glad to see that. The specs are from the heaviest prototype we had, in the hopes that production tents would generally be lighter.

Mar 15, 2020

dandurstonDid drop end up utilizing 1.5mm cord all around? I was surprised to see that diameter used for the 4 main stake points and the peak guylines.

Mar 15, 2020

evincent220It should be 1.5mm to connect the inner and 2.5mm on the fly. Is it definitely 1.5mm on the fly? We tried using 1.5mm on the peak guylines in combination with tensioners designed for slightly smaller cord in the hopes of saving a few grams, but the 1.5mm could still slip a bit easier than I liked (kinda similar to the old 2.5mm in the LineLoc3's which I wanted to improve upon). So the intention was to go back to 2.5mm on the fly but keep the slightly smaller tensioners so the 2.5mm would be very unlikely to slip. If it is 1.5mm that's not right but still within the rating of the tensioners (they are rated down to 1 mm). So it probably works okay but 2.5mm would be better in high winds.

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Mar 15, 2020

First picture is peak guylines compared to the 1P's. It's definitely 1.5mm all around...pulls, stake outs, peaks. I found it odd to see the smaller cord because I remember you guys had switched tensioners to solve the potential slippage with 2.5mm.

Mar 15, 2020

evincent220Thanks. Yes that's 1.5mm all around as you say. Must have been a miscommunication somewhere. The last prototype had 2.5mm with LineLoc3's at the 4 corners and 1.5mm with LineLoc Lite's at the peaks. Wanted to do LLL's all around but with 2.5mm cord. At least the cord is a lot easier to switch than the tensioners. LLLs are rated for 1.5mm but I'll take a further look at how well that holds.

Mar 15, 2020

dandurstonPerhaps this is why it's coming in lighter than spec. It does feel like it holds quite strong even with the 1.5mm.

Mar 15, 2020

evincent220Glad to hear the 1.5mm seems to be holding strong. The break strength of the 1.5mm is likely higher than the tensioner, so the main consideration is holding power moreso than breaking strength (although it would be ideal if the cord broke first but just slightly, since it's easier to replace). I'd have to check my spreadsheets, but I think the 1.5mm peak guylines saves 6g combined. Corners wouldn't be as much - maybe 3g for them all. So I'd guess a net savings of 9g for all 1.5mm on the fly but that's just from recollection. Observed weight thus far is 1063 - 1090g (fly + inner). I use 1mm nylon sheathed dyneema with micro LineLoc's on my personal X-Mid 1P for the peak guylines. Stock setup at the corners.

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Xjboonie42

Mar 15, 2020

evincent220Hi - Dan Durston said you had purchased some of the buckles to use in the inner alone set up, and I was wondering if you were still selling any? Thanks!

Mar 15, 2020

Xjboonie42Hi. Yes, they are 8$ a set. shipped in the US. Payment by PayPal. PayPal info is evincent220@yahoo.com. Email me your ship to address at that same address and I can put a set in the mail tomorrow once payment is confirmed.

Mar 21, 2020

dandurstonDan, do you know which size of tensioner was used? I noticed they have a 10mm or 15mm version. Only asking because I went to upgrade the guylines but anything over the 1.5mm won't seat in that groove (picture) Does it need to sit in there for maximum hold?

Mar 23, 2020

evincent220They are the smaller (10mm) size tensioner. The 2.5mm cord doesn’t really sit in the groove as you note, but it should pull into that groove as the load increases. Try pulling hard on that and I think you’ll find it pulls into the groove. I was just experimenting with this last night and it consistently pulled into the groove when I pulled hard on it.

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TrailYoop

Apr 2, 2020

dandurstonI’m having problems with one at least one corner lineloc slipping. Not a fair test b/c I set it up inside. But, could you please explain what I should expect from the linelocs? If staked out, the line shouldn’t slip, correct?

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Apr 2, 2020

TrailYoopAll LineLoc's are going to slip at some threshold, but what that threshold is depends on the tensioner, cord and the setup (e.g. angles). For the cord specifically, it depends on the diameter, outer material grip, and how much it compresses under load. For the tensioners, they are rated for 1.5 - 2.5mm line, where the stock 1.5mm line is at the lower end of suitable range. Thus it should have enough holding power for normal use, but won't hold as well as a 2.5mm line. Also worth noting that if you do have a high load on the tensioner and then it slips (e.g. someone tripping over the line) that can put wear on the tensioner that makes it slip more easily thereafter. In your case, it could be that the angle on the tensioner is a bit funny with a home setup. If you get in the field and find that one of the tensioners is still not holding to a reasonable standard, then you could get in touch with Drop's warranty department or replace the cord with a bit thicker stuff. Almost every outdoors store sells accessory cord by the yard, where $2 or so for a yard of 2-3mm cord would likely increase holding power substantially at the four corners.

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TrailYoop

Apr 2, 2020

evincent220I'm looking for two as well. Do you still have these for sale?

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Apr 3, 2020

TrailYoopCurrently sold out but have a new batch coming in. Email me @ evincent220@yahoo.com and I'll get you a set when they arrive.

Nucleus

Apr 3, 2020

dandurstonYou mentioned above that 10 mm linelocks are used. These are specified in your link (https://dutchwaregear.com/product/line-lock-light/) as suitable for lines around 1 mm. But here you say they are rated for 1.5 to 2.5 mm line. I think these lines are really too big then. So I should stay with 1.5mm and use a 1.5mm coated Dyneema line if I want a stronger one?

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