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rudbear
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Aug 1, 2019
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Very sad to see that the Forties kit doesn't have an R5 bottom row. Having tried using R4 bottom row with MT3 Godspeed, it's extremely unadvisable due to the sharp bottom edge. It sucks that there is a bigger emphasis on making it easier for them to print than to use. Basically if you're an ortho user, just use the home row or flip R4 and live with the odd feeling. Edit: The reason I give this feedback is that the majority of ortho boards are flat. I use MT3 and multiple vintage profiles similar to MT3 on flat and angled boards. Most of the people using ortho, especially from the boards that Massdrop sells.
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Aug 1, 2019
rudbear
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Aug 1, 2019
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It seems Drop is more interested in saving themselves a couple minutes in packaging than saving you from getting poked by a sharp edge when you use the caps for the rest of the lifetime of the caps. EDIT: I'm leaving this comment up for now, but one of the things we've heard from makers is the importance of kit composition for easy of delivery over use. I'm glad that it may not be the main reason here.
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Aug 1, 2019
Zambumon
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Zambumon
Aug 1, 2019
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While preparing for this group buy, I tried MT3 Serika with flat 65% (a whitefox), a flat 40% (planck) and a sloped TKL (a Keycult No.1) and I found that the profile is more enjoyable when the keyboard is angled. With a flat keyboard, the homerow and bottom row felt much worse to me: Matt3o's MT3 profile works best with angled keyboards.
Aug 1, 2019
Zambumon
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Aug 1, 2019
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Drop gives me all the freedom I want to use one profile or another, make 5 kits or 30... If I opted for R4 is because I wanted to.
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Aug 1, 2019
rudbear
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Aug 2, 2019
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I'd point out that most of the ortho boards out there are flat and have little to no way to angle them (unlike staggered boards where an angle is very common compared to ortho or ergo boards). Many if not most of your customers won't experience the deciding factor you've used.
Aug 2, 2019
harlekein
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Aug 2, 2019
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I made the same argument in the IC. Previous MT3 sets with R5 bottom row proved it works well with flat or negative tilt, but this kit was set up for positive tilt, which means if you use thumb keys and don't have positive tilt you should probably pass on this one.
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Aug 2, 2019
rudbear
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Aug 2, 2019
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I also voiced my concern in the IC a couple times. My issue is that even with positive tilt boards (which can be anti-ergonomic if you don't elevate your wrists) you're still better off with negative or flat angle bottom row caps if you use thumbs (most ergo and ortho users do). I've designed replacement wood feet for my Rev1 Preonic that angle the board so the Commodore64 keycaps are more comfortable, and the angle needs to be pretty strong as well. I don't want to have to tent my boards to a 10º angle to use MT3 when using the R5 or even R4 upside down proves to be quite comfortable at flat and angled.
Aug 2, 2019
harlekein
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Aug 2, 2019
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The popular 7° incline is originally intended for those who have to look at the legends frequently while typing. If you touch type you're better off leaving it flat. Ergonomic guides always recommend a low keyboard position and a negative incline. The incline forces wrists upward and causes unnecessary wrist strain. But here we are, where somehow it has become perceived as an aesthetic ideal.
Aug 2, 2019
pattulus
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Aug 4, 2019
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AMEN. I'm also out. R5 would have been nice.
Aug 4, 2019
gtg339g
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Aug 15, 2019
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I'm planning to flip the space bar around and then use either R1 or flipped R4 keys from the geometries kit for raise & lower. That leaves only one other key I use with a thumb. I'll either substitute something for it or live with it. I do agree that R5 would have been better than R4, though.
Aug 15, 2019
rudbear
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Aug 17, 2019
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I've been using flipped R4 caps from Godspeed but it definitely isn't ideal.
Aug 17, 2019
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