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semka
248
Jan 11, 2015
How the Firebox stove stacks up against the Emberlit?
DuxDawg
107
Nov 3, 2015
semkaExtremely poorly. The Nano is very poorly designed. The best way I found to use it is to fill it, light it and hope the water boils. I am very curious which fuels and pots Firebox was using to get their claimed 3 minute boil times. That lie is the main reason I bought the Nano Gen2.
So many coals drop out of the bottom that it is tough to get 2 cups of water boiled and tough to keep it lit. I cut a piece of 1/4" square hardware cloth (metal mesh) to cover the bottom and that works a whole lot better.
Sticks and coals fall out of the feed ports increasing our woes. The feed ports are worse than useless. Solid sides would serve us much better. Seems like they tried to have it all rather than focus on what makes a stove like this work best.
The biggest issue with the Gen2? The legs. All that wasted real estate that could be helping us cook! Backpacking stoves are basically portable chimneys. The sides reflecting the heat makes for a better burn with less wood than a campfire. The height directs the heat to the pot - right where we want it.
2/3 of the Nano's height is legs and pot stand. Which leaves 33% doing the work. 100% of an EmberLit or FireAnt is working for us.
DuxDawgI must say that I am very offended that you are outright calling me a liar. I made the boil time claim based on my own bench tests where I was able to reproduce the results several times. I did use my pot that consistently gave me the fastest boil times and I was using dry sage sticks that burn fast and hot, but either way I wasn't exaggerating the truth and did say boils 2 cups as fast as 3 minutes.
It's obvious that you have different ideas when it comes to design. The large holes in the Fire Grate are intended to drop hot coals. Since it's such a small burn chamber it's important to clear the way for continued free air flow to maintain a healthy flame which is where the majority of the heat comes from.
As for the sides, I actually tested a version with taller "reflecting sides" because I had the same notions about "chimney effect and reflection" but consistently got faster boil times with the shorter version.
I start my designs with concepts, but then test to prove those concepts. Ultimately, I do what works!
I feel that you looked at the Nano with pre-conceived notions and then worked to prove yourself correct rather than having an open mind.
I have several customers who own the stoves you mention yet tell me that the Nano is their favorite.
Please use the contact page on my website fireboxstove.com to contact me so I can arrange a return and refund as we do offer a satisfaction guarantee.
All the best, Steve
AndyVonLeed
2
Aug 26, 2018
FireboxSteveHi, Andreas from Norway here.
I have nothing but good things to say about my nano. I bought mine because a friend of mine consistently uses his both for cooking, and for having small under-tarp fires with great success. When I got mine, I have since attempted boiling using a 1l aluminum coffee pot times outside.
I am able to replicate similar results as Steve reports ( ca 7m for 1l which is roughly 4 cups)
I don't know steve, but from what I see on youtube of his and from my experience as a customer. He is not a liar, and his products are proper. Check Virtuovice on youtube. He has a gen1 firebox that has seen years and years of use. It still keeps trucking on.
TL;DR: I really like my nano. It is well designed and well made. Steve is no liar as far as I can tell.
kind regards Andreas
AndyVonLeedThanks Andreas! I appreciate you having my back!
AndyVonLeed
2
Aug 26, 2018
FireboxSteveNothing to it at all :) I am considering buying two standard nanos with x-case for christmas presents this year. That says something about my level of satisfaction :)
kind regards Andreas