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zoomorph
423
Feb 6, 2015
I call utter bullshit on the pants you're wearing giving you "a better time". What will give you a better time is actually if you stop caring about the hyper-expensive, trendy crap you're wearing and focus on your environment and the people you're with instead. This isn't rocket science.
Lighter load? What, are these for girls or something? If you really need to lighten your load so much that pants are an issue, just hike in shorts or naked. Duh.
Made out of some kind of trademarked material that's probably utter crap.
Yea, I think I'll pass. I'll be watching for any suckers I see wearing these in the bush, though. I suspect that they'll be dying for an opportunity to demonstrate how effective the knee pads are.
Ming
235
Feb 6, 2015
zoomorphWhy are you so angry over a pair of pants on the internet?
Acidox
6
Feb 6, 2015
zoomorphJesus man...
On topic: Most of Fjällrävens stuff are absolutely superb, my guess is these will be too.
zoomorph
423
Feb 6, 2015
MingI just think it's sad how much people spend on trendy hiking gear -- it's a total fad these days. We seem to have lost all respect for the wilderness and venturing out into it on our own to test our survival skills. People used to go into the wilderness to forget about the modern world and all the luxuries we have and to experience something challenging and difficult. Now we try to take all of our luxuries with us, as light and "portable" as possible, as if the wilderness weren't already disadvantaged enough against us, and we try to minimize the amount of challenges we'll have to face. Not only have we lost respect for the wilderness, but we've also lost respect for ourselves and now prefer to value ourselves based on how much junk we've bought and how many trendy advertising labels we're wearing. It's pathetic, frankly.
Infracanophile
9
Feb 6, 2015
zoomorphWhen you say "used to", when are you referring to? For all of history, except for very recently, good clothes cost as much as an expensive car does to us today. They cared about all their equipment to an absurd degree.
If you are doing something actually challenging, then so should you, because you will be testing your equipment as well as your body and mind. If your equipment fails first then you don't get to push any further and can't challenge yourself. Obviously equipment like climbing ropes would be more important than pants, but when you tear a big hole in the knees or butt of a disposable cheap pair of pants or a pocket fails now your equipment is holding you back from this challenge. There has never been a time in history, for humans, when choosing/getting/making your equipment wasn't a part of your survival skills.
I share your contempt for people who engage in conspicuous consumption for status reasons while outdoors (or indoors). But this isn't a "designer" brand like Gucci, this is a company that makes high quality stuff for serious use. I might laugh at someone who buys serious gear to walk some paved trails through a park, they are engaging in conspicuous consumption as well. But at least they are making good equipment cheaper for the serious people, so they are helping us by wasting their money.
I have just as much contempt for the new bullshit hipster ethic of pretending that equipment quality doesn't matter and cheap disposable shit made by virtual slaves overseas is morally superior because it's not "trendy". That's the same conspicuous consumption that leads to designer clothes bullshit with different values behind it.
zoomorph
423
Feb 7, 2015
InfracanophileEquipment doesn't hold you back, fear or lack of competence does. Fear or incompetence is the reason you climb with ropes and wear pants to begin with. It's the reason you don't drink water without pumping it through a filter, need a satellite phone, etc. There are people who are skillful such that they don't need, or at least aren't wholly reliant upon, such equipment. Those people deserve a lot of respect.
Then there are the amateurs or tourists who think that they can make up for what they're lacking with high quality equipment. But that's impossible, because if you could carry all of the modern luxuries with you into the wilderness, you'd might as well have just stayed home.
Both attitudes you've described above (desiring or shunning high quality goods) sound like they are more focused on their appearance and what they're wearing than their abilities and what they're doing. Both are contemptible. Why can't someone be impartial to the price and brand name of their equipment until they've physically outgrown it and are ready for something more advanced?
I have a lot of respect for experts and people who stick with things for long enough to develop mastery in them. The world seems to be lacking in such people these days and full of shallow consumers instead. Many people are proud simply of what they own (and are happy to tell everyone else about it), even when they don't know how to use it.
I suppose I could be wrong about the people buying these pants on here.... Perhaps all of you have legitimate deficiencies with your existing pants. Perhaps you know what G-1000 is and know exactly why you're buying it. Perhaps you don't care about hype at all and are merely interested in trying many types of pants. Or maybe I'm right and most of you will scarcely use the gear you're buying or would've been just as well off with more humble pants, but are happy as long as you're consuming.
Kmnman
40
Feb 8, 2015
zoomorphyou are acting like these pants cost a shitload of money, I hate to break it to you, but they don't. And for what materials they are made from and the quality that Fjallraven provides they are pretty well priced and will hold up through years of wear and rough use. The way you are whining about people buying "expensive" things just makes you sound like a sore loser who can't afford to get the equipment you want and everyone else who can is just another consumer, just go away lol.
Also I love this little bit you said: "Fear or incompetence is the reason you climb with ropes and wear pants to begin with." <--- This just proves how much we should all respect your opinion, how much of an idiot do you have to be to think that incompetence is why people wear pants out in the wilderness..........
zoomorph
423
Feb 9, 2015
KmnmanDon't be butthurt. If you were a strong and well-endowed man you wouldn't need to wear pants.
thethirdtwin
14
Feb 12, 2015
zoomorphI can't wait for your up and coming youtube show, 'hiking and climbing naked in Iceland without any equipment what so ever'