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Mar 28, 2020

ole-johanD'oh! Right you are... 200M it is; still perfectly adequate for a diver.

Mar 29, 2020

MustGoFastRIt's not a diver and that's not because of the strap, the bronze case, the water resistance claim, the "presumed" actual usage scenario or because I don't like the ⌚ Only an ISO 6245, DIN 8306, JIS Class 1/2 or some other reputable certified ⌚ can write diver on the dial and this one hasn't it. No certification, this only qualifies as a diver style ⌚ and that's not a misconception: that's a research you can also do. Begin here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_watch or here https://www.watchtime.com/featured/dive-watch-defined/ And this is not 🗣 the ⌚ will fail @ 200 m but with no certification there's no evidence the ⌚ was individually tested (all tests) for being a 200 m diver's ⌚ It's like 🗣 that I have a chronometer just because my ⌚ gains 3️⃣ seconds a day and so it's COSC... which clearly it's not unless it is oficially certified https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COSC

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Mar 29, 2020

MarPablTechnically true; it is not an ISO 6425 certified diver. Then again, neither are the Rolex Submariner or Sea Dweller, both of which have been the choice of professional divers for decades. For that matter, just about (if not) all of the most famous dive watches in the world, which were created specifically for and have served the profession in both private industry and military since it's onset are not ISO certified divers. Manufacturers pressure test their watches; just because they don't pay someone else to independently do it as well doesn't make them untrustworthy. ISO 6425 certification wasn't even introduced until 1996 and isn't the final word just because they say so; if a manufacturer chooses not to drink their cool-aid, it doesn't mean their watches aren't every bit as capable. I would not hesitate to take this watch diving. Glycine has been around nearly as long as Rolex; they have history and make decent equipment, so don't be afraid to use it. I dove for years in the 80s with a 100M Timex Atlantis 100 I got at K-Mart and it did just fine; water isn't as pervasive as you would think at recreational depths. You still need to properly care for and maintain your equipment, however. That ISO certification can bring a false sense of security to the uneducated; the watch may have gone through an extra level of testing and met certain requirements under controlled conditions, but a lot of that goes out the window as soon as you take the watch out of the box and start using it in the real world. Any watch rated 100M or more, ISO certified or not, will be fine in in the water in most cases, but not worry free; you still have to care for and maintain it just like anything used in conditions adverse to its natural state. Bottom line: the Combat Sub is a 200M dive watch and may be used as such at the user's own risk; just like any other, even those with ISO certification.

Mar 29, 2020

MustGoFastRYes, that's what I 🗣 Rolex doesn't write diver on the dial because these are not certified. And again that's not 🗣 these will fail @ the specified water depth and that you can't successfully use those as diving ⌚. Diving has been done before the certification so naturally professionals used non certified ⌚ The same happens with the "cool-aid" of the chronometer. If the manufacturer doesn't certify the ⌚ that doesn't mean it will not be reliable or it can't reach/exceed those specifications or that you can't successfully wear those as a time telling device. As I 🗣 if it's not certified, it's not marked as so on the dial even if the ⌚ is as capable. And that certification can also bring the same false sense of security to the uneducated who believe they got an atomic clock or don't take proper care of the ⌚. But that's not the fault of the certification nor it makes the certification irrelevant, pointless or useless. So no matter if the certification is important/relevant or not to someone or any company, the fact remains. If the ⌚ is not certified, it can't have "diver", "chronometer" on the dial because it's not.

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Mar 29, 2020

MarPablIt seems we are in agreement. I was under the initial impression that you took issue to this watch claiming to be something that it was not. It does not say "Diver" on the dial, as set aside for those with ISO certification, but it is still a capable dive watch; one certainly wouldn't say the Rolex Sea Dweller Deep Sea is just a "dive style" watch, now, would they? Now if a watch looked like this, but did not have a screw down crown and say only a 50M water resistance rating, then that would very much be a "dive style" fashion watch; that sort of thing does exist, but the Glycine is not that.

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Mar 29, 2020

MustGoFastRYes I have both the previous Glycine bronze and the Deepsea and I like those 😊 Not diver's on dial but I 🤎 them 📸 Evidence with correct date & time

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Mar 29, 2020

MarPablGreat looking watches! How long have you had the bronze? Looks pretty new and wondering how long it takes to gain a nice patina. I'm pretty anal about the finish on my watches and baby them much more than I should... as such I've been a bit hesitant to try a bronze watch due to the patina and look they can attain, but at this price point for a piece from a brand with history, it's a no-brainer.

Mar 29, 2020

MustGoFastRI got it about last December... I don't like to force the patina so I just wear it. It has patina indeed, when it was 🆕 it was really shiny and you can always restore it with cleaners ✅ I'll clean it because I really prefer the shiny look

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Mar 29, 2020

MarPablGood to know; I figure I'll let it age naturally and see what develops. Not going to fret over this one, as it will be a knock-around watch for me. Wear yours in good health! :)

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Honeybadgers

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Mar 30, 2020

MustGoFastRMany divers also use leather straps. They can be quite robust for years of use if regularly oiled. I've heavily snowsealed/heated a solid single strip leather strap (the multi piece ones are a bad idea) and used it diving for years, and the leather holds up fine. I agree that this seems to be an outrageous deal, which does occasionally happen on massdrop. I pulled the trigger on one.

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cmbezln

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Mar 30, 2020

MustGoFastRthe dial is completely different than the ones on Glycine's website. I much prefer the dials on the non-drop versions because theyre textured and cooler looking.

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Mar 30, 2020

cmbezlnThe dial layout and markings are identical. The pics here on Drop are renders, not actual product photos; I would expect the finished product to have the same texture on the dial as the sister references in the other colors on the Glycine website. Perhaps a Drop representative can comment on this further.

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RayF

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Apr 2, 2020

MustGoFastRMatters not, what Rolex puts on their dial--this is a conversation about THIS watch--the one that IS NOT CERTIFIED, that doesn't say Diver's 200 m on the dial, and couldn't print it there even if Glycine, all the Glycine fan boys contributing to this conversation, MD, or you wanted it to be printed there--technically or otherwise. And the reason for that is... "Can you say: "it's not a fucking diver?-sure you can!"

Remember boys and girls, if it doesn't say "Divers 200m" on the dial, there's a good reason for it. And if you're still confused, ask that nice Mr. @MarPabl to explain it to you again (he has a lot more fucking patience for that sort of thing than I do ;- )

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Apr 2, 2020

RayFIt simply isn't as black and white as that, however. If that were the case, then you're saying literally all of the most well known higher end dive watches in the world that professionals and military alike have relied upon since the beginning are not dive watches, because not a single one of them or their modern iterations are ISO 6425 certified and don't have "divers" printed on the dial. Nothing could be further from the truth. Just because a watch doesn't carry that specific certification, does not mean that it is not capable or would not meet or even exceed those requirements in their own right. I would recommend reading the following articles for further insight and education on the topic: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/tale-of-two-isos-what-water-resistance-ratings-really-mean and https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/what-dive-watch-depth-ratings-really-mean-and-whether-you-can-trust-them And for the record, I'm not a Glycine fanboy in the slightest. Just stating the facts. This is a good deal for a bronze watch from a reputable company with history, so I decided to pick one up to try out the whole bronze and patina thing; this will be the least expensive watch in my collection by several orders of magnitude, but that doesn't make it any less capable a tool.

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Apr 2, 2020

MustGoFastRYou're missing my point--I'm not saying you can't dive with it. I'm saying it doesn't meet the qualifications/specifications of a Diver's 200M watch. Claims, suggestions and inferences to water resistance are exactly that, and confusing the two (as the twit from Aquacy told us about his "1000m, better built than any Rolex" garden variety Chinese watches once did) is just text on a screen. Certainly you could dive with your iced out, cry for help, Audemars Piguet if you wanted to...

Just like I could go diving with my, guy-who-is-sure-of-himself, iced out, Hello Kitty watch...

Whether either met our needs during those hypothetical dives, or actually worked afterwards, isn't part of our discussion today. It's genuine article, ISO Certified, 200M Dive watches that are on the menu this morning. So I say you can splash around in the pool, or explore the Mariana Trench in any watch that happens to be hanging of the end of your arm--these are personal choices and (as they like to say on TV), I will defend your right to make those choices even if I don't particularly agree with them, or the chaps over at Hodinkee--or anyone else who wants to meet me out behind the cafeteria at 2:30!!!

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Apr 2, 2020

RayFNot missing your point at all. However, not being ISO 6425 certified and not meeting the qualifications/specifications for a 200M dive watch can mean two separate things. The watch is not officially certified as an ISO 6425 divers watch, correct, but that does not mean that it is not a capable dive watch. It simply means a manufacturer chose not to pay a license fee to the ISO to have that certification done. There are other ISO guidelines for water resistance, etc, and manufacturers are able to meet various standards with their own internal testing and processes. If it gives anyone piece of mind to have that Divers label on the dial and that ISO 6425 certification, more power to them, but one should not be limited into thinking they can't use any other dive watch for its intended purpose just because it does not carry that label.

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RayF

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Apr 2, 2020

MustGoFastRI don't wish to limit you in any way! As I mentioned above, you are free to dive with any watch you chose--including those that aren't specifically marked, designated or certified as Diver's 200m (or 300m). I'm sure other watches may suffice, but since actual Divers are common and affordable (and since I have a few of them) I just don't see the point of trying prove your point. Now truth be told--I don't dive, and I don't have a Rolex Submariner either. But if I did, (I still wouldn't dive) I'd make a point of taking that Sub off and putting it away (someplace safe), even if I were just stepping out back to the Koi pond to feed Fluffy.

What can I say--I'm just careful that way.