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Shure
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Jan 17, 2021
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Hot off the press: Check out time stamp 7:30 before you order, one of the good reviewers out there in my opinion.
https://youtu.be/kS1bhzRe-Kk
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Lightrefracted
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Jan 17, 2021
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ShureAndrew said he was not even sure what version he had because there are pictures of the single-sided version that also have the silver paint and gold bars on the outside. He guessed his was the double-sided version because of the weight. He said he would reach out to Linsoul for clarification.
He is also enamored with the LCD-XC, which is universally hated by just about every headphone reviewer... so take that into consideration.
Muscle_Cow
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Jan 18, 2021
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ShureResolve is a really great reviewer, I just hope he's not reviewing it based on the comments "better than every Audeze headphone" or "better than Susvara" make him be a lot harsher on it because no, it's not going to be better than the top of the line Audeze or HifiMan headphones... but it is really damn good for it's price point of $550. The fact it comes very close to my own Arya in many aspects makes it worth their price tag in my opinion. Again.. No, it is not better than the Arya but if you want a headphone that sounds like its worth over $1000 without spending that money than this is a great choice, especially if you have not heard a real HiFi headphone before.
In that video he is using the stock pads it's shipped with, I hope he's tried the secondary set since then because they are better.
Tjzurla920
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Jan 18, 2021
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Muscle_CowDo you think it's a solid upgrade from my sundara and 6xx? Like I will actually hear a nice difference? Or is it a very subtle upgrade like the hifiman Ananda ?
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Muscle_Cow
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Jan 18, 2021
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Tjzurla920It's hard for me to tell you the answer to that since I only have the Arya, and I don't have the Sundara or Ananda. From the 6XX it would definitely be an upgrade if you are searching for a brighter sound, larger soundstage, better imaging, more detail and more resolution (I do have the 6XX).
My original first impressions post below has a lot of comparisons to the Arya which is essentially a better Ananada so you could read that post.
I wish that I could justify buying a Sundara so I could compare but I'd rather put that $ towards the ZMF I eventually want to get.
JTB888
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Jan 18, 2021
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ShureI saw the part of the Headphone show stream live when they briefly talked about the GL2000.
The dude Tyler at the bottom of the screen seemed to really dislike the GL2000.
The 2 from the Headphone Show were both wearing the GL2000 so expect a review from them soon.
Muscle_Cow
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Jan 18, 2021
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JTB888Tyler and Antroid both had the same set, the single sided set. Resolve was the only one who had the double sided set.
I mean, the way that Tyler reacted to the question kind of makes me dismiss his thoughts since he was very abrasive about it.
"The good? It makes sound. The bad? It makes sound." is what he said lol... but again he had the single sided.
Muscle_Cow
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Jan 19, 2021
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I definitely get that rivalry sense at times too, just hope they don't knock certain things out of spite. Also, I don't know why, but some of the audio community seems pretty passive aggressive/toxic too.. l mean I wish everyone could just enjoy some of the awesome headphones and gear out there and accept that not everyone prefers the same things. I really like Josh Valour because he seems to keep out of that side of things and just seems like a good dude that gives straight forward opinions without way too much over analysis.
My only worry with the HP Show now vs when it was just Resolve himself is that now he works for Headphones dot com, so I hope he doesn't push products away that aren't available on their site hence GL2000. The owners at Headphones dot com are awesome guys so though I highly doubt there is any shady stuff happening there - it's just something to be aware of.
Mysin
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Jan 19, 2021
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After hearing a lot of people's comments who've gotten the GL2000's (who also own much higher end gear) a few are saying that they sound less than ideal out of the box, but actually require a ton of burn in (40-70 hours of pink noise) to get the "hype sound" everyone's excited about. They say it's fantastic once burned in. So my theory is these Headphone Show guys haven't let them properly burn in. Still waiting on mine, but figured I'd add some insight.
JanModig
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Jan 21, 2021
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Kianag
Usually I ignore such comments but... on higher end gears it is not uncommon to need from approx 2 weeks to up to several months before the materials in components has taken their designers intended state for actions. It can relate to a bias in the material from factory that has to be normalized, degaussed in some cases. Oscillators needs about 2 weeks to stabilize. On capacitors there may be irregularities in the dielectriums in capacitors that has to even out with "melting". On mechanical parts a certain stiffness has to be loosened up (speaker cones, membranes in headphones... What happens is that the circuits/material stabilizes after this maturing to get to a solid platform to produce sound on its best, as the designer initially intended it to. So Yes. Burn in is definitely for real and the phenomena pays off with an expanding of the initial compressed "soundscape". The sound opens up and blossoms. And You finally realized with a smile on Your face knowing that the money was definitely well spent. /Jan
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Muscle_Cow
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Jan 21, 2021
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KianagYou can tell yourself that if it makes you feel better about things, but you are wrong. @JanModig made some very good comments here, you can also do some simple research on this to find out more - it's all a part of the engineering.
Burn in (especially in planar magnetic headphones) is most definitely a real thing. Some headphones are recommended to run noise through them for almost up to 100 hours before reaching their real sound signature (Dan Clark Audio sets for example). I own several pairs of headphones, all which I bought with my own money and burn in most definitely makes a difference. The GL2000 sounded a lot more engaging after playing music on a block for 2 days, and they still sound fantastic to this day.
Not saying that they ever sounded bad at all, they just improve after this. "Underwhelming sound" would never describe these headphones, they are fantastic.
postwarscars
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Jan 23, 2021
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KianagPlease don't say something is bullshit if you aren't informed on the topic. Have you ever bent a brand new piece of metal, which was very difficult, but then bent it a few more times, and it got easier? Same idea applies here.
When an object is built to flex to certain points, but has never done it before, it will be stiff initially. It eventually reaches its intended excursion distance enough times allowing it to perform properly. This is less evident in headphones, since they move considerably smaller distances, but if you've ever installed brand new drivers into a speaker box you will understand how drastic the changes can be. Sound is created through air vibration, so if the driver isn't moving the full distance, or is not vibrating quickly enough, the sound will not be produced as accurately.
Anyway, they don't tend to get worse. Often it's outright failure, for instance in speakers the surround may separate from the cone. In some Planar headphones, the diaphragm might fail due to excessive air pressure, causing separation from the magnets. The bottom line is once a driver has reached its optimal operational movement it will continue to perform properly, not the other way around. Obviously anything that has mechanical parts will falter after enough time, but speakers are pretty sturdy in most cases.
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yojimbojangles
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Jan 24, 2021
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postwarscarsAs someone who may have jumped the gun and bought these headphones as a cheat code to not having to spend Arya or LCDX money I have been monitoring this discussion page daily to see what the consensus was. Largely it seems positive enough, the confusion on single vs double magnet not withstanding. However the verbose statements regarding "burn in" caught my eye. I'm new enough to Drop as a forum, seems like standard internet with it's agitators/defenders but surprised to see acolytes of a subjective idea. A brief amount of research would put the phenomenon down as anecdotal;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVdXuC37erw&ab_channel=NoThemeReviews
I would not be able to argue with any of the logic in this link. If burn in was such a defining factor towards a headphone's sound then why is it not openly accounted for in warranty or manufacuring legals/management accouting? The act of metal becoming more maliable or springs becoming more springy does not confirm a headphone becoming audibly different. I wonder is there a list of headphones that become worse post burn in? Or are they all universally better by design without overt statments from the manufacturer? Asking for a friend.
postwarscars
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Jan 24, 2021
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yojimbojanglesI was using a metaphor to explain the situation, the two things are not of equivalent process but similar enough to draw comparison (and I said nothing about springs...). Also, No Theme Reviews, as a source of credible information is, at best, troublesome. I don't really want to explain why, I'm somewhat biased towards them as I personally find their personality off-putting (and I won't extend that reasoning further out of respect to them), but suffice to say that you can't be objective if you profess bias (as I also just did, so I don't appear unwilling to acknowledge hypocrisy).
Anyway, this is an actually observable phenomenon, not some subjective idea. As I previously stated, in headphones the traveling distance is considerably smaller than in a larger speaker driver. While some people take this process to absurd lengths, and claim some subjective references, the point stands that it is an actual thing. The issue here is this: was the driver tested before sale to the customer? Because if so, there's a fairly solid chance that burn-in is no longer required. Claims of burn-in being 100's of hours are largely incorrect. Speaker burn-in is observable in raw drivers, of which I've installed more than a few. But there's also a reason you may never notice it in something like a factory built speaker: they've already tested it, which does the job for you.
I don't typically prescribe to headphones needing the kind of burn-in you find with traditional speakers. A lot of reasonable/reliable sources profess it's more psychological, which I could certainly agree with. The only headphones I ever recall changing for me were my LCD2C's, and I could certainly chalk it up to adjusting to hearing them, rather than driver burn-in.
Muscle_Cow
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Jan 24, 2021
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yojimbojanglesI have to agree with @postwarscars as I don't really like the No Theme guy either, he always comes off as having a superiority complex in a lot of this videos and how he talks about things.
I'm not going to get into a debate in this topic as everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I can tell you that from my own experience that burn-in on headphones can definitely make a difference on some sets more than others. Maybe that's because some sets are shipped with some pre-burn in done at the factory and some brands don't? I don't know for certain on that... but what I do know is that my own GL2000 did improve after 2 days of play time on the set. No, it doesn't make it a totally different sounding piece of equipment, it sounds the same but a little enhanced is all... Refined sound.
yojimbojangles
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Jan 24, 2021
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Muscle_CowThanks lads, wasn't really looking to start an arguement, cheers for the responses. Hope I enjoy the GL2000 as much as you did.
postwarscars
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Jan 25, 2021
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yojimbojanglesHey, discussion is for everyone! No arguments here.
Muscle_Cow
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Jan 25, 2021
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yojimbojanglesI'm sure you will, they are a really great set of headphones for their price. As I mentioned in my write up, they aren't to replace the Arya as that set is still superior overall, but they are extremely good for their price and really start to close the gap between the Arya and others which is insane at less than half the cost... a true perfect addition to any audiophiles arsenal.
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