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Glen8

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Aug 3, 2019

That doesn't look like a Japanese automatic to me, definitely not a Miyota, could be a Seiko but seriously doubt it, I think it's a Chinese copy of a Seagull, or an actual Seagull (not terrribly likely) personally. Anyone know that movement by sight? Interesting design, looks like about a $75 watch, I would pay a bit of a premium for the design but not 266%

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JAone

999

Aug 4, 2019

Glen8 Hi Glen. Check out the AVI-8 Pegasus watch,I have one . Same rotating discs and sapphire crystal and approx dimensions. It runs on a Miyota 8215. If I didn't have the AVI-8 I would probably suspect this was chinese movement as well. Main difference is the AVI-8 is in my opinion a little bit more attractive, and I can say the built quality is great.

Glen8

671

Aug 4, 2019

JAoneYou're talking about the features of the dial and the crystal as if that would somehow determine what movement is behind it all, sorry but one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Miyota 82xx movement do not have a full ball bearing center, they have a screw that shows and that's all you see, I looked up your watch and it definitely is a Miyota 8215, look at the rotor and the center bearing, See how all you see is a screw? Seikos and Seagulls and Miyota 91xx and 92xx have full ball bearing rotors, as do most Swiss, but Miyota 82 series definitely do not. That's why I say it COULD possibly be a Seiko movement, but the thing is, it should have 23 or 24 jewels, to be Seiko, or it would have to be a 7S26 to be 21 jewels, and I've never seen those used outside of Seiko watches, and would mean it doesn't hack or hand wind. Almost certainly a Chinese movement, unless these pictures are not actually relevant. And hey, don't get me wrong, given a choice between a Miyota that doesn't hack, and a Chinese copy that does, (most of them do, they added that feature), I would take the latter. Seagull makes reasonably good movements, I own a lot of watches with them and love them. When you get your watch, let us know if it hacks and hand winds, that will tell us a lot. Don't be afraid of Chinese movements there's nothing wrong with them when they work!

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JAone

999

Aug 5, 2019

Glen8Thanks Glenn,that information is great. I am very much the novice on the movements, I do wonder why they don't reveal the identity of the movement ? After all isn't this watch also assembled in China? I mean at this price point would it really matter;there are no free lunches these days, if it had a really good quality Swiss movement then surely the asking price would reflect the extra cost! I do have a question for you; apart from pausing the watch ,what are the other benefits of having the hacking facility on the movement? A lot of the watch community seem to think if there is no hacking the movement must be inferior. I have a couple of Miyota 8215 watches and they seem to keep good time as good as my Seiko auto movements with the hacking ability. Anyway I do appreciate your information.

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Glen8

671

Aug 6, 2019

JAoneThere's nothing at all wrong with Miyota 8215's, they are durable and keep accurate time, never need servicing, that's why they are copied so much by the Chinese, but some people don't like the noisy rotors (they wind in only one direction, the other direction they just free spin, so depending on the case design, Miyota';s can be very noisy...even 9100's or 9015's,) so the hacking feature, it's only benefit is stopping the second had that's what defines it. some people, like myself, don't see the point of a watch you can't set to the exact time, some couldn't care less, it's totally a matter of opinion. It's the cheapest good quality movement out there, but the Seiko NH35 is only 30 bucks. so for me, I want an NH35 with hacking, and it shouldn't increase the cost of the watch at all. Maybe by 5 or 10 bucks but that's it...so it's just a matter of what you're willing to accept!

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JAone

999

Aug 6, 2019

Glen8Thanks Glen, that's good unbiased information, I think because as you say the cases that I have the Miyota movements in are quite sturdy, and that is why I can't hear the movement. But it's good to know that the quality is okay. Do you have an opinion on the quality difference between the Sellita SW200 and ETA 8924? The impression I get from some blogs is no real difference ,only that ETA movements were in short supply outside the parent company, so Sellita Come up with increased supply and spec on the SW200.

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