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Boozamn
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Apr 11, 2016
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Is it just me or is anywhere around $50+ for a single (or even 3) keycap completely ridiculous? Am I missing some core aspect of this drop? Or is it literally just a money pit for a very niche, Jack Nicholson loving, keyboard enthusiast market?
Boozamn
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Apr 11, 2016
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CapwnLooked into it & wow, you weren't kidding - /everyone/ thinks they can (and get away with it T.T) to a ridiculous degree! K3KC has a nice array of caps & definitely puts some thought & work in it whereas there's far more expensive caps that look like hastily produced garbage littered everywhere. Can definitely tell K3KC is a different breed & if I had seen his most expensive caps on here for 39.95->35.95->33.95 Then I would of understood, they just look like they are something special.
Whereas on these it was really like "wtf am I looking at? Oh that's Jack.. Riiiight." I definitely have an appreciation for the nicer ones, especially those of games I play - having one for the windows key on/off switch would be sweet.
P.S. Really not knocking the drop team & their acquisition of this drop - I'm just not pro-Jack Nicholson enough to truly appreciate this drop (=
Whereas on these it was really like "wtf am I looking at? Oh that's Jack.. Riiiight." I definitely have an appreciation for the nicer ones, especially those of games I play - having one for the windows key on/off switch would be sweet.
P.S. Really not knocking the drop team & their acquisition of this drop - I'm just not pro-Jack Nicholson enough to truly appreciate this drop (=
Measlyblue
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Apr 11, 2016
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theteamA much as most people wont admit it K3's work is high quality It's simply the overwhelming amount of saltiness from everyone on geekhack and some on reddit who are pissed of other people have skulls on their keyboards. it's such a petty argument, sure if you want to pay hundreds for a keycap thats your choice but I you want the same design for alot less which is of arguably high quality than K3 caps are fine
Binge
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Binge
Apr 11, 2016
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BoozamnThis isn't meant to represent Jack Nicholson in his entirety, it was inspired by the Deal With It meme but ultimately a refresh of an old keycap I made in 2013 called "Smiling Jack".
To explain the cost. Aside from the setup molding process. Each of these keys takes me about 3 hours of work and then another 6 hours of waiting until they are done curing. Some of my keys like the Hungrkey take over 24 hours to produce.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78637.0
I have to hand measure, mix, and pigment each color you see in this drop barring the optically clear resin with no pigmentation. There are no machines that place the colors, mix, or meter the ratio of chemicals. It's all done by me and my wife.
The people who are buying these have suggested numerous times that the price is increased to deter scalpers from buying for say $15-25 and selling for $100+. That's tough for me to ask so much of people, but to my surprise it has worked in keeping the 2nd hand market from getting so ridiculous. People who want them are buying them instead of people who are trying to profit from my hard work.
I know artforms are all very strange to encounter and even the criticisms you bring to light are ones I will consider as I move forward with my projects. Please look into my work and process. I have not only produced a library of over 15 different designs, but in 3 years I have made a little over 3000 keycaps, trained 4 people to cast (two were out of state), designed a tool to assist people in creating better keys with fewer defects, and most recently successfully prototyped my own hybrid design to make keycaps both MX and Topre compatible.
To explain the cost. Aside from the setup molding process. Each of these keys takes me about 3 hours of work and then another 6 hours of waiting until they are done curing. Some of my keys like the Hungrkey take over 24 hours to produce.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78637.0
I have to hand measure, mix, and pigment each color you see in this drop barring the optically clear resin with no pigmentation. There are no machines that place the colors, mix, or meter the ratio of chemicals. It's all done by me and my wife.
The people who are buying these have suggested numerous times that the price is increased to deter scalpers from buying for say $15-25 and selling for $100+. That's tough for me to ask so much of people, but to my surprise it has worked in keeping the 2nd hand market from getting so ridiculous. People who want them are buying them instead of people who are trying to profit from my hard work.
I know artforms are all very strange to encounter and even the criticisms you bring to light are ones I will consider as I move forward with my projects. Please look into my work and process. I have not only produced a library of over 15 different designs, but in 3 years I have made a little over 3000 keycaps, trained 4 people to cast (two were out of state), designed a tool to assist people in creating better keys with fewer defects, and most recently successfully prototyped my own hybrid design to make keycaps both MX and Topre compatible.
w00zie
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Apr 11, 2016
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CapwnMy fellow artisan collector, there are several artisan makers that make keycaps cheaper than $40. IMO, HWS is top of the line and I'm willing to pay $60 per cap for his designs and originality.
K3KC has 0 designs of his own. The caps he sculpts look like bad knockoffs of Bro Caps/Clack Factory. IMO, he's not as talented.
I don't hate on people for owning K3KC caps. If you want a popular design, K3KC is the cheapest alternative, but calling him the most legit cap maker is erroneous.
K3KC has 0 designs of his own. The caps he sculpts look like bad knockoffs of Bro Caps/Clack Factory. IMO, he's not as talented.
I don't hate on people for owning K3KC caps. If you want a popular design, K3KC is the cheapest alternative, but calling him the most legit cap maker is erroneous.
Capwn
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Apr 11, 2016
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w00zieYour reply just proves you have no idea what you are talking about, k3 has many of his own designs, The predator being the latest. Also that wolf that Bro made was a direct rip off of K3, Not the other way around.. Get your story straight friend.
Also, after owning caps from almost everyone, K3 has the highest quality feel. Deal with it, Dont, I couldnt care less. But K3 makes legit stuff, Stuff that is ACTUALLY limited, Unlike the false rarity produced by Bro..
Also, after owning caps from almost everyone, K3 has the highest quality feel. Deal with it, Dont, I couldnt care less. But K3 makes legit stuff, Stuff that is ACTUALLY limited, Unlike the false rarity produced by Bro..
Capwn
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Apr 12, 2016
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Lets all just ignore Clack making Vader skulls without Disneys permission.. Bro ripping off the Grumpkin design from a popular artist, Bro ripping off the Lobo design from K3.. But K3 makes some skulls and bots, And hes the only bad guy .. Sound logic..
romevi
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Apr 12, 2016
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CapwnCC made Vader caps long before Disney owned the property. But I agree there's a gray area there. Still, I feel like CC made them to show off his artisanship (the cleanliness of a handmade Vader mask at that freaking size).
I think K3 definitely has talent (it's not easy to make handmade caps), but he's literally copying the same design from another seller just to make a quick buck--at least, that's how he started off. The best comparison I can think of is this: There's a local artist I really like who does a lot of artwork around a central image. Everyone here in the local artist community knows his trademark design. The artist constantly does variations of this work, and sells prints off of them. Then somebody, knowing how popular that design is, copies it line by line only because some supporters were unable to get the original prints (or too impatient to wait for the next run), and they really want it just to hang in their living room; they aren't supporting the artist, however, and are sort of doing a disservice.
If K3 came up with his own designs, I may be interested; I love having an adorning cap on my board to accentuate the ensemble. However, he is literally copying the cap design and selling them for the original prices CC used to sell them.
I think K3 definitely has talent (it's not easy to make handmade caps), but he's literally copying the same design from another seller just to make a quick buck--at least, that's how he started off. The best comparison I can think of is this: There's a local artist I really like who does a lot of artwork around a central image. Everyone here in the local artist community knows his trademark design. The artist constantly does variations of this work, and sells prints off of them. Then somebody, knowing how popular that design is, copies it line by line only because some supporters were unable to get the original prints (or too impatient to wait for the next run), and they really want it just to hang in their living room; they aren't supporting the artist, however, and are sort of doing a disservice.
If K3 came up with his own designs, I may be interested; I love having an adorning cap on my board to accentuate the ensemble. However, he is literally copying the cap design and selling them for the original prices CC used to sell them.
Capwn
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Apr 12, 2016
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romeviK3 has several original designs. The Predator being the latest one..
http://i2.wp.com/www.k3kc.com/wp-content/uploads/predator-keycap-k3kc-2.jpg?resize=600%2C600
Prada
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Apr 13, 2016
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CapwnI think I'm reply to the wrong person here, and I don't really want to start an all out K3 riot (again).
K3 made a direct 1:1 copy of the BroBot v2 and sold them to the vietnamese market (Vietnam Mechanical Keyboard Club). After Bro found out, there was bickering and arguments between everyone. They both messed about making copies of each others stuff (Bro with K3's Lobo, K3 with the Bro's Reapers and Reaper Vintage). Eventually Bro and GH had enough and got K3's PayPal revoked as he'd broken PayPal's rules.
Basically K3 was a dick to Clack and Bro, Clack ignored him, Bro got a bit miffed (understandable) and it ended up with people always arguing about K3 when ever he's mentioned. If you think K3's okay for making copies of other artisans work, that's fine, but justifying it infront for Bro and Clack supporters isn't going to get you into their good books. Keycaps is a rough market, support who you think is in the right, but be nice about it!
Sorry for the long reply, and sorry Binge for ransaking this thread. I get pissy when K3's about. ; )
K3 made a direct 1:1 copy of the BroBot v2 and sold them to the vietnamese market (Vietnam Mechanical Keyboard Club). After Bro found out, there was bickering and arguments between everyone. They both messed about making copies of each others stuff (Bro with K3's Lobo, K3 with the Bro's Reapers and Reaper Vintage). Eventually Bro and GH had enough and got K3's PayPal revoked as he'd broken PayPal's rules.
Basically K3 was a dick to Clack and Bro, Clack ignored him, Bro got a bit miffed (understandable) and it ended up with people always arguing about K3 when ever he's mentioned. If you think K3's okay for making copies of other artisans work, that's fine, but justifying it infront for Bro and Clack supporters isn't going to get you into their good books. Keycaps is a rough market, support who you think is in the right, but be nice about it!
Sorry for the long reply, and sorry Binge for ransaking this thread. I get pissy when K3's about. ; )
Kweze
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Apr 13, 2016
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PradaThis whole K3, binge, clack thing is just ridiculous. This market has more demand than what Binge and clack can fulfill so I support K3 picking up the slack. Does Binge or Clack copyright their caps? So stupid that there's people out there that can turn a clack into 600.00 (huge demand issue caused by the cap makers not making enough.) Puke.
Prada
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Apr 13, 2016
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Kweze[EDIT: This comment was big, and now it is small, and no longer a reply towards Kweze]
[some more edit] In my opinion; people like Binge are who you should support, they try their hardest to satisfy the community even if it's at their loss. The artwork is his (and wifes) own creation and you're paying for products from a sublime artist. Each key should have meaning, a representation of the community you're all in, and Binge capures that perfectly. <3
[some more edit] In my opinion; people like Binge are who you should support, they try their hardest to satisfy the community even if it's at their loss. The artwork is his (and wifes) own creation and you're paying for products from a sublime artist. Each key should have meaning, a representation of the community you're all in, and Binge capures that perfectly. <3
w00zie
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Apr 13, 2016
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KwezeI've met Binge. The very 1st thing he mentioned was how important it was for him to make his artisans available to everyone and keep the prices as low as possible.
You do realize that copyrights mean close to nothing across country lines? It's a morality issue. You are only viewing this as what is best for the consumer, not what is best for the consumer + maker.
You do realize that copyrights mean close to nothing across country lines? It's a morality issue. You are only viewing this as what is best for the consumer, not what is best for the consumer + maker.
Binge
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Binge
Apr 13, 2016
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KwezePlease try your best to stay on topic. I can understand that it's easy to take the drop and use it as a platform for shared opinions on other makers, but we're getting into some territory where I will have to ask massdrop to clean up these discussions. Free speech is great but it's starting to sound as though people are supporting the duplication of artistic IP so long as the consumer base is satisfied. I blew hours of my life to try, keyword try, to have a positive outcome, create a likeable product for my fans, and lastly compete using my own product. The idea of having to compete against my own product is frightening and enough to put me out of making designs. Without the idea people you'll be left with your K3 and whatever it is he has to offer in the future.
Capwn
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Apr 13, 2016
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KwezeRight, Clack can rip off Lucas and Disneys Darth Vader.. Nobody bats an eyelash.. K3 makes caps for people that literally cannot buy them anywhere else because the "artisan" intentionally limited supply.. But then get all butthurt and surprised when people use supply and demand to their advantage.. Get bent..
Binge
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Apr 14, 2016
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CapwnYou say that you've owned all of the keys except for JK's work. That means that you've owned mine. From my core I really hope that my work was something you enjoyed. If by any chance that work affords me the favor I would appreciate it if anyone currently engaging you in discussion about K3's work and the controversy behind artisan goods/IP stop, and likewise if you would cease your instigation of my fans or anyone who may support my work.
I don't know if you realize it but people acting like sheep from either side of this off-topic argument have acted poorly in a large way. It would sit much better with me if you had any grievance with our artwork, business, or practices if you were to contact us at info@hungerwork.studio instead of fueling this argument. Please take with you that the facts and opinions you have shared so far are being considered, but we would be much more receptive of your ideas/ideals if contacted instead of humiliated.
I don't know if you realize it but people acting like sheep from either side of this off-topic argument have acted poorly in a large way. It would sit much better with me if you had any grievance with our artwork, business, or practices if you were to contact us at info@hungerwork.studio instead of fueling this argument. Please take with you that the facts and opinions you have shared so far are being considered, but we would be much more receptive of your ideas/ideals if contacted instead of humiliated.
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