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If I have purchased durock pcb stabilizers will it still work with the new board design?
You really need to clarify if we can or cannot use PCB mount stabilizers, as a version with plate mount stabs only is NOT what we ordered.
Yep. I've already ordered some switches and will be quite disappointed if this doesn't work with screw in stabs anymore. Not really a fan of plate mounted stabs.
No one is happy about this update unfortunately. Please do something about it, screw in stabs is a huge deal for everyone who bought this board. This is not an improved version if anything this is a down grade...
Yeah, if it’s Plate mount stabs only, I want to cancel. Plate mount are shit. I’ve got zeal’s waiting on this build.
I am happy if it means not having interference with the bottom of the case.
I think it is safe to say that 90% of the keyboard community would prefer PCB mount stabs over plate mount stabs tho. They should be fixing the case to fit the PCB with screw in stabs. Not the other way around.
Agreed here. I have already purchased my stabilizers and really don't want to buy new ones and have my pcb stabilizers arrive only not for it to be used. If the final revision is going to be plate mount then I would definitely cancel as well.
Though that being said, unless they change the PCB, it should still allow for screw in stabs, it just seems like they're changing the plate to allow for plate mount stab which still shouldn't obstruct you from using screw ins.
They haven't said anything about changing the PCB from what I see, and considering that the PCB wasn't even one designed for this board but another Chinese 75% (that's superior to this one, top mount plate and only about 20USD more), it's a little hard to believe that they would buy the PCB design and change it just to take away some holes for screw in stabs. But of course I can't say for sure.
" (that's superior to this one, top mount plate and only about 20USD more)"
its much more than that. If not please share a link for the polaris 75 for 140 shipped to a conusa address.
It's on Taobao so you'll need an agent.
And its listed price is 950RMB which is about 134USD but of course you'd still need to pay delivery and agent fees and whatnot but it's not like the listed price of the ID80 includes delivery either. Also considering this was a Drop buy that you'll receive maybe a month or two after you buy, getting something from Taobao and paying an agent to ship it to you will still end up getting the product to you faster than Drop would have (though with the current situation it's a little more difficult), so its just a question of how much more do you want to pay to receive an item faster.
Here is the TB link anyway: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a312a.7700824.w4004-18376519335.4.2db12afamSg9bl&id=586878814212
Also if you notice in the images of the Polaris75, their plate has cutouts for plate mount stabs but the PCB still has holes for screw in stabs, so I'm still thinking that the ID80 won't lose screw in stabs as an option, the plate is just what's changing.
Id80 from drop is 117.75 USD shipped to my door. No way I get the polaris75 through and agent and shipped to my door for under 200 even before the pandemic. Yes it may get to me faster than drop but it also doesn't have an option to get to me slower for cheaper so it's still much more expensive. My point is that the polaris 75 is not "only" 20 USD more.
If you look at the update thats exactly what they changed... they changed the cutout of the PCB so those holes for the screws are no longer there. Its just a huge cutout for plate mount stabs only.
The update is only pictures of the case. There are no pictures of the PCB. Pcb will likely remain unchanged. They are modifying the cutouts of the plate (integrated into the case) so plate mount stabs clip in.
That's true, i thought i was looking at the PCB lmao so theres still hope lol
Can you confirm with the vendor whether or not we will still be able to use PCB mount stabilizers. If we are not able to use them this is not cool with me and many in the community. It would not be the product that we were sold on. Hope to hear back soon from you regarding this.
There is a new update 4/20 which shows the change.
And the video is not very helpful. Needed a sound test with the previous PCB stabs. It sounded kind of clacky to me
From the reddit post it seems like they are keeping the same pcb so it should be able to use screw in stabilizers?
I'm not 100% sure about tolerances for plate mount holes accepting pcb mount stabs... That could be another issue. Possibly clearance issues?
Yeah but probably have to drill holes and what not. Nah sorry im out. This is not what was sold to me initially.
I rather safe a little more money and buy a product that doesnt change something so integral after its sold through.
Yea true. We were all told that it would support screw in stabilizers. From the reddit post drop said that they could potentially arrange refunds for the product so I might just get the CU80 that's on groupbuy right now.
Thanks for that reddit link. I think I am fine if I can cancel the unshipped screw in stabs from Drop. Does anyone have a link to some Cherry plate mount stabs? Thanks
I seriously doubt it, in general plate mount stab cutouts are larger to accommodate the base and clips, they also didn't change the plate to PCB height at all, or at least they didn't disclose that. Your regular screw in stabs should be able to poke through just fine. I can't think of or find any plate mount stabilizers that have bases that are thinner than PCB screw in mounts.
Since the screw holes are still there and the holes for the plate mount stabilizers will be bigger, I don't see any reason why one could not just screw in their stabilizers to the PCB and use them.
The only clearance issues you would potentially have is with the bottom plate, but depending on the stabs and screws that may not be a problem either. Whenever I get mine, I'll do my best to confirm with the screw in ZuGear stabs I bought.
Have you actually tried this? When I was a noob to the hobby I tried using PCB stabs on a plate designed for plate stabs and it was way too tight. Damaged the plate trying to fit them through. You're right they didn't change the "plate to PCB height" though. That's the same on every board, otherwise the switches wouldn't rest on the PCB.
I looked up the specs for the PCB stab cutout and the plate stab cutouts for cherry stabs and I'm not seeing where it wouldn't fit, as long as the PCB height doesn't change, because PCB stabs are more recessed than plate mount stabs. The stabilizer bar still goes under from what their Youtube video shows https://youtu.be/ICaKUGdegUY. There are some PCBs that rest really close to the plate, especially with solder switches. There is actually a tolerance in the PCB to middle switch height as long as the cutout is fine on the plate for the switch it all works, some recess the plate off the bottom of the switch a bit to reduce the noise when bottoming out the keys.
I'm curious what combo you tried your PCB stabs on a plate mount stab plate. Cherry specifically made plate mount and pcb mount switches interchangeable, I can't imagine why they wouldn't do the same for cherry spec stabilizers.
I should say, that you would not be able to use plate mount stabs on a plate that doesn't support it. So it's not interchangeable in that way.
Yeah I can't imagine why screw in stabs won't work anyway since the PCB isn't changing.
Though everyone needs to remember that the original problem of screw in stabs for the spacebar being too close to the bottom of the case and doesn't work, which is honestly a bigger problem than having plate mount stabs. Having both options is acceptable just in case your screw ins have tolerance issues with the bottom.
Ok, I just measured a few of my stabs and tested them with a GK64 plate (the only plate designed for plate mount stabs that I have readily available). Cherry and OEM plate stabs are approximately 6mm wide where they fit through the plate (except for the tabs which fit into the notches on the plate). Clip in and PCB stabs vary from 6.5mm to just over 7mm. I managed to fit KBDfans gold plated PCB mount stabs in with little problem, Everglide took a moderate amount of force, and I couldn't fit in GMK screw in and OEM clip in stabs.
So the potential problem is not the space between the PCB and plate or whatever, it's the size of the stab housing. I'd wager some PCB stabs will fit with some plates designed for plate stabs, but it's not a given. Also more notably, there's the issue of clearance with the bottom of the case (presumably from the screws), which is the exact reason they changed from PCB stabs in the first place. IDOBAO specifically stated according to the reddit thread that the new version will only accept plate mount stabs, so I'm not hopeful.
Thanks for taking a look. I'm curious why there is such a huge range. Cherry has some pretty clear specs.
It seems like there is potential for both to work okay. Maybe when this comes I'll try a range of PCB mount stabs to see what works and what doesn't.
platemount stabs better.... pcb mount is trash
??? How could someone be so wrong?
Eh, it really depends on the stabs, the PCB, and how you mount everything. Non-authentic cherry plate mounts like the corsair stabs are rattlesnake trash I agree, but GMK plate mounts are pretty good. Lubed and padded or silicone gel on plate mount stabs can be just as solid as PCB stabs, but it does require a little more work than screw in which usually just requires some lube.
Here is an interesting video on this:
This is a downer, I've ordered and received durock pcb stabs, I can't return them now, so what do I do ?
Since idobao.net is offering a pcb mounter version for extra 0.20 cents, we should be able to choose it as well, or get some money back.
Checked the pinned post. They are sticking with pcb stabs.