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200 dollars and you have to assemble it and use soldering irons?
why so expensive for just a parts supply? ummm................
The soldering thing is a deal breaker. Only a few users would want to solder their own switches.
This is one of the most popular drops on Massdrop. Every time it is up it sells over 1000 units, so it's clearly not that much of a deal breaker.
When you compare the price of this to other ergonomic keyboards (not including the pseudo ergo junk from Microsoft), this is actually quite inexpensive.
It seems ridiculous if you aren't into mechanical keyboards. This kit is a fair price for what you get though. Kits offer a wider range of customization, which actually is preferable over pre-assembled options.
I wouldn't call it very inexpensive, because it's not. Not even in mech terms. Ergo kits can be found for 40% less. But it is an option most people prefer. The choice to solder or not would be nice for noobs. Personally I prefer soldering!
Yeah, only a few... thousand.
Welcome to niche markets. This is not advertised to nor intended for the mass markets and general consumers.
You're a corporate shill and a fool. You can source all these parts for less than $50 LOL. You can make the pcb yourself for not even $30.
Sweet. I look forward to the photos of your $50 Infinity ErgoDox clone. Please keep us updated on this project. Very interest. Much cheap. Wow.
With your numbers, you're looking to make a whole lot of cash. Please hit me up when you make your own Ergodox GB happen. I'd be interested in getting some parts on the cheap too. :>
Sure the parts are less than $50, anyone with a little bit of electrical engineering knows the components are pennies cheap. But what I and others have paid for, is someone to do the PCB layout, the CAD design of all the layers, and the time to integrate everything into a nice package that we can solder up and customize to our liking.
Doing my own Ergodox layout, with PCB's, micro-controller, LCD display, would have taken me months to assemble and probably a lot more than the $200 I paid to have a kit shipped to my door with all the parts necessary to make it work.
No, parts are not less than $50. Yes, diodes, LCDs, and microprocessors are all relatively inexpensive, but small production runs of PCBs are very expensive. Also, switches and caps aren't exactly cheep.
If you could build this for less than $50, someone would already be doing it. You don't have to pay for the designs... they are open source.
I wasn't trying to discount the fact that producing small batches of profession grade PCB's are inexpensive.
I full acknowledge that even DIY PCB production with OSH-Park or any of those others can cost some coin.
I was making the point (in agreement with you) that these boards are well worth more than raw cost of parts that they're comprised of.
You have trouble reading 3 sentences broski? Damn. nice strawman there buddy.
The pcb is eerily similar to old alps ergonomic keyboards (If I remember the designs correctly). You didn't really pay for a design so much as you payed for a re-work/iteration.
You're right that many would love for the convenience, and I also did not factor the lcd's into the cost. i'd imagine it'd be closer to 100-110 at that total cost. Still, this seems overhyped to me especially with having to wait multiple weeks for the product to arrive and then needing to spend the extra time to solder properly and assemble.
Furthermore... Didn't "the community" design this for the most part?
Production runs are not the same as printing yourself. You would know that if you ever actually built your own pcb.
edit: lol how much do you spend on keycaps? Not everything is $40 for a set of black double shot.
We're discussing the price of this kit, not some backyard bodge job. This kit comes with professionally manufactured PCBs. If you prefer to do it yourself, that's fine, but claiming that this kit is a ripoff is like claiming that the furniture store is ripping you off on the price of a chair since you can buy wood for a lot cheaper.
You are making the mistake of thinking people's time is valueless. A person who makes minimum wage might conceivably break even building from scratch vs. buying this kit, but most people would do better simply doing what they do for a living. I could buy several of these kits by simply working at my job for the time it would take to etch a single set of these PCBs.
Yes, caps are expensive. The exact set that is offered on this drop sells for more than $50 on pimpmykeyboard. If you actually know of a source that is cheaper (and doesn't require me to set up an injection molding factory in my garage), please share.
You're so ignorant it's alarming. I didn't build any strawmen. You're the one making wild claims and backing them up with hot air and memes, "buddy".
I don't think the 1000 buyers would choose a disassembled unit if they had the choice.
Certainly not all of them. But a fair few would still want to assemble it themselves for various reasons. It depends on what assembly options are available, how much it costs, and how much time it adds to delivery. If you're adding your own special switches and you intend to do a full custom lighting job then there's no value in having it assembled at a factory -- you're just going to tear it down anyway.