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RayF
22218
Nov 16, 2020
Usual objections apply. If you don’t know them, not a terrible deal.
dnaman
Nov 16, 2020
RayFRayF, I have to ask, what usual objections? This one is not too huge (like me), fairly simple (much like me), cheap (very much like me) and thick (OK I am going to get a complex if you guys keep talking about me).
RayF
22218
Nov 17, 2020
dnaman You haven’t read my best-selling review?! Shocking!

https://drop.com/talk/28778/photos?utm_source=linkshare&referer=B2BDHC PS: there are photos too.
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dnaman
Nov 17, 2020
RayFAhhh... thanks for the link. Generally I like the looks and would have pulled the trigger even with the non hacking movement if it was a no day no date dress watch. On with the search.
RayF
22218
Nov 18, 2020
dnaman Hmm...I need to know the Day and Date even when I'm dressed.
Mehoron
63
Dec 9, 2020
RayFI mean, the original watch company made the dollar watch back when they started. While the brand was picked up by a Hong Kong company, it's no less an interesting watch and brand. The non-hacking movement and the hesitating seconds was quite simply designed that way by Miyota, and it's pretty appropriate for a vintage style watch. Though they have changed the movement to be hacking because of the amount of feedback they got. I'm also not sure what you mean by Ingersoll decorating the movement, the movement looks like how it comes from Miyota. You can see the movement in Jack Mason watches, or just by itself if you want purchase a replacement movement. I don't know about appealing to people who don't know watches, on the contrary non-hacking and the stutter seconds (which is still reliable in with the Miyota movement) harkens back to old auto movements.
RayF
22218
Dec 9, 2020
Mehoron First of all, why would you begin you comment with: "I mean..." as if you were trying to clarify a comment or point you'd made earlier, when in fact, you had not? As far as I can see, this (the comment I'm replying to now) is actually the first comment you've contributed to this (several month old) conversation? I'm going to chalk that bit up to YOUTH (so as not to cast aspersions on your high school English Composition teacher, who probably tried his or her best, but even now winces every time he or she hears someone of your generation begin a sentence with the conjunction/connective word: "So." On that score, I'm with him (or her). Meanwhile, as to you point, (in a nutshell) that Miyota makes bare minimum functioning movements for those unwilling to pay more for better ones, and that somehow justifies Ingersoll's use of them, and to your mind even makes them more authentic? I say, don't make me laugh! Theres is NO connection between the Ingersoll you refer to (the dollar watch maker) and the Ingersoll represented above, NONE, and no one is suggesting there is at this point, not even the Chinese company that bought the right to use those nine letters (only in that particular sequence), not even the people who write the copy for this site and Ingersoll's who claim otherwise! Second, if they have changed the movement due to feedback (I haven't verified that independently) I hope to god I was in some small way, responsible because I have broached the subject on numerous occasions! Thirdly, what the hell do you mean calling this a bloody "vintage style watch"?!!! When the hell did round dials absent of Arabic numerals suddenly become VINTAGE?!!! Dare I ask, when you say "vintage" do you mean it in the Brittany Spears sense of the word, or are we just talking Justin Bieber-vintage? Don't answer that--I don't want to know! Bottom line: the watch is modern enough, not terribly priced, not half-bad looking, and with a better movement (one that does hack and wind) would be a square-deal for anyone whom it may appeal to--PERIOD. If, as I stated earlier, those points (hacking and winding, specifically) don't mean anything to a perspective buyer, he or she is getting the deal of a life-time with this watch. Now "get out'a here kid, you bother me!"
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Mehoron
63
Dec 9, 2020
RayFWhat are you talking about with this reply. You go off on tangents and put words in people's mouths that make no sense. You open with a personal slight about someone's age, when none was made toward you. No one made any claims to or even mentioned "authenticity". Hearkening back to something does not imply authenticity in this world or any other, it simply means that it reminds someone of something older. There are also cheaper automatic movements that hack. I'm curious where price plays into this? This isn't even Miyota's most stripped down movement. One could by all means make the movement hack without issue. A good reliable movement doesn't HAVE to be expensive. Lots of quartz movements are cheap and reliable, that was the point of them. To purchase this particular movement to replace it, is around 40 USD, which isn't a lot, but it is nearly half the price of the watch. I also never made claims to any kind of justification to put anything anywhere. I cannot make any justification for why someone made the choice to go with this Miyota movements. I can just say, with certainty, that Miyota(Citizen) movements are generally reliable and good. Given Ingresoll, the history and style of watch it makes sense to put a less expensive 70's movement in it. The watch is vintage styled, it's the same simple case style that the old Ingersoll used in their 60s and 70s watches. That's what makes it vintage styled (not in and of itself vintage). No claim was made that the watch was itself vintage. There are lots of new watches that use a vintage style, this doesn't make them vintage, no one claimed it was. "Theres is NO connection between the Ingersoll you refer to (the dollar watch maker) and the Ingersoll represented above" Yes there is, when you buy a company you also tend to buy their designs and trademarks. That's not implying that Ingersoll had amazing designs to begin with, which was the entire point of bringing it up. It was company that was never founded with the highest of expectations, it was a company that was founded with the ideal to put a watch in everyone's pocket. This watch is extremely accessible, which I would argue is the entire point of an Ingersoll. If you don't agree with that connection that's fine, but it certainly is reminder for me where Ingersoll came from. Making the assertion that it's great for people who don't understand watches also doesn't make sense given Ingersoll's history. You also say "the watch is modern enough" but then say you got rid of it because it doesn't hack and wind, which are more modern automatic movement features. It's "modern enough" but not modern enough for you to hang on to, which again, is fine, all of this is preference anyway, I'm certainly not going to pass judgement on anyone's preferences, and that's not my point. It just adds to the confusing and meandering post that is book-ended by personal attacks and doesn't really talk at all about watches or their history.
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RayF
22218
Dec 9, 2020
Mehoron Sounds like you’re taking this personally.