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ottodokto
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Nov 7, 2019
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There seems to be a lot of misinformation regarding what is a "Holy Panda", what materials it's made from, and the whole issue with pre-lubing. If you're angry about the "pre-lubing" on the switches, please read the original GB page on GH, c. 2016. These are Invyr panda switches. These aren't Holy Pandas. You can make your own holy pandas by adding the option to include halo true switches, and taking them apart to put the halo stem inside the panda housing. The original pandas were somewhat substandard for a linear, even attested to by Quakemz, the original guy who invented the holy panda:

"The lubing was incomplete and inconsistent, the switch was not very smooth at all, and there was even a very mild and awkward bump at the bottom of the press; very awkward for a switch costing $0.64-$1 USD/each, depending on quantity and vendor. This was all during a time when Gateron was really shining in value, Kailh hadn’t yet revamped their factory, and the market didn’t have retooled Cherry MX Blacks or Tealios, etc." They come with some lube since the whole point of the Invyr panda was a linear switch that came prelubed and didn't need further tuning. Obviously, they somewhat failed at their original purpose, and the real breakthrough was when Quakemz put a halo true stem in the panda housing, creating the holy panda. Even with YOK/GSUS pandas, they come prelubed, but that doesn't matter, since you're gonna be pulling the panda stem out and swapping it with a halo stem anyway. Novelkeys YOK pandas are about $0.55 per switch. If I buy 70 pandas from NK, that's $38.5. Factoring shipping, which is around $8.50 for me, that's about $47 for pandas alone. The upside of this is that NK pandas are already in-stock, which means that you don't have to wait. On Drop, these pandas are roughly $0.57 per switch, and including $2.75 shipping, that's $42.75. There's not really a huge difference in terms of pricing, so if you want Invyr pandas, or maybe don't like the colors of the NK YOK pandas in stock, or are patient, then maybe these are for you. Regardless, you're gonna have to buy halo switches from Drop (unless you have some laying around/from mechmarket). EDIT, FURTHER CLARIFICATION: Due to the confusion on what exactly is a panda switch:
The original GB for Invyr pandas on geekhack used POM as their material of choice. These switches are as close as you can get to the original "OG" Panda, which was a Halo True stem in an Invyr housing. The confusion arises from the fact that the Massdrop Holy Pandas sold last year (the ones that came prelubed) had a polycarbonate top and nylon bottom. The original Invyr Pandas did use a non-transparent polycarbonate top housing, and a nylon blend bottom. (Source from Mech27, Source on bottom)
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Allsurrender
60
Nov 8, 2019
ottodoktoAs a reminder, these retooled pandas (POM) have different housing material than the og ones(PC and nylon). The sound profile may come out different.
ottodokto
119
Nov 8, 2019
AllsurrenderLet me clarify. Original pandas were POM. You're confusing them with the Massdrop pandas, which are PC/Nylon. You can verify this in the original GB thread for Invyr pandas.
Allsurrender
60
Nov 8, 2019
ottodoktohttps://youtu.be/Db6-j5mbPi8 original panda was stated as POM, but someone found out it’s more like a blend of nylon.
carlouws
40
Nov 8, 2019
ottodoktoThe original GB thread says POM but it has been confirmed that the original Invyr Pandas were nylon bottom and polycarb tops.
Poblopuablo
338
Nov 8, 2019
carlouwsDo you have a source? (Not trying to argue, I just want to know for personal knowledge/research)
carlouws
40
Nov 8, 2019
PoblopuabloIt was said here https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/talk/2281252 and here https://imgur.com/HioudYG Mech27 is the original groupbuy runner along with zisb.
ottodokto
119
Nov 8, 2019
carlouwsnice catch, updating post with new info
USER8293954
3
Nov 11, 2019
ottodoktoYoks aren't lubed, you shill
carlouws
40
Nov 12, 2019
USER8293954They are, you noob. Freshly opened Yok, just for you.
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Kiefofpolice
171
Nov 13, 2019
carlouwsWhere can I get a switch opener like this? I have 180 halo true and 180 YOK mint switches that I need to combine and I missed getting the aiox3 PRISM from KBDFANS when that run was around. Any suggestions on where to find a decent one?
ottodokto
119
Nov 13, 2019
KiefofpoliceThe switch opener in question is the Durgod one sold on drop. Personally I use Kiiboss' switch openers as those are much more compact and fit nicely into my toolkit.
Kiefofpolice
171
Nov 15, 2019
ottodoktoPreciate it man.I was just about to order the kiiboss but is it supposed to only be able to be used for Kailh? Or will it open up the mint YOK pandas from novel keys too? I don't mind having to get one all in one or 2 separate tools as long as they work right.
ottodokto
119
Nov 15, 2019
KiefofpoliceYou'll need to buy both switch openers, the Kiiboss MX and the Kailh one. The Kailh one will open the Halo switches (and all other kailh switches), while the MX one will open Cherry switches and Gaterons (along with other 4-leg switches).
Kiefofpolice
171
Nov 15, 2019
ottodoktoOh okay. I couldn't get the other one to show up to where I could order it. It must not show up correctly on mobile. Thanks again man. Do you know if they plan to ever bring back the Durgod Nutcracker v2? Or does it look better on paper than it actually performs?
ottodokto
119
Nov 15, 2019
KiefofpoliceThe durgod switch openers come every few months, the last time it sold was about a month and half ago (mid September or so). Personally either style works: the Durgod ones are nice because they're 2-in-1, while the Kiiboss ones are more compact.
Allsurrender
60
Aug 21, 2020
ottodoktoLUL this doesn’t aged well now. are these still made up of POM?
ottodokto
119
Aug 22, 2020
AllsurrenderGiven the recent holy panda debacle I'm not sure myself at this point, but given that these are made by Invyr and not drop, they might be
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