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Secushel
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Mar 24, 2018
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So expensive and so sad. I think this drop might fail... $1800 is just too much for such an unfamiliar company’s product with the existence of Audeze and Hifiman
flipper_gv
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Mar 24, 2018
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SecushelExcept they've been around for a couple of years already and they don't have the QC and durability problems of either Audeze nor Hifiman.
GymTurtle
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Mar 24, 2018
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SecushelI hate to agree, but yea. Massdrop is a mainstream platform and I only see people tending to buy from more well known brands. In addition, the expensive drops don’t do very well from what I’ve seen. The Elex drop wasn’t doing very well for a limited drop. And this is almost triple the price.
Secushel
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Mar 25, 2018
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GymTurtleElex already did well and it is ongoing. The $700 headphone market is totally different from $200 headphone market. And Elex is not that cheap compared to Elear. It is more on the improvement. The whole market volume is not that much for $700 headphones. It's not bad Massdrop does a lot of work for mid-fi equipments. That's the market for the majority audiophile community and they are already expensive for normal people. Everything above $500 doesn't sell well here because the high level market is too small. I think drops like elex and noble k10 are already a success. BTW this is only the second or third year for the focal design headphones right? Even elex's brothers are still really young
alvarg
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Mar 25, 2018
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flipper_gvmaybe so but they don't really have the widespread awareness of the other two, 1800 is a lot to drop on faith
Vigrith
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Mar 25, 2018
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SecushelIt's not unfamiliar at all. Cayin and other brands (even Kennerton themselves on occasion) have used the Odin at their stands for most, if not all, the Canjam meets for the past like two years.
Vigrith
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Mar 25, 2018
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alvargI have and it's very good, the relatively extensive experience I have with it is also outside of shows so that's always helpful.
It's pretty heavy first of which in and of itself is a big reason why these aren't very popular (the price tag being the even bigger reason, of course); these sound every bit like a TOTL pair of headphones though and if you're really wanting to fork out around 2 grand purely for sound then these would actually be my pick over the competition hovering that price point.
This may not be the best description ever for a pair of headphones, it most certainly is not, but they sound like they look. They have a very seductive/charming sound to them, they're quite intimate (as in smaller soundstage albeit great separation) and rich, think more LCD2C or original non-fazor'd 2s and HD650s rather than HD800. They're akin to other planars, their bass isn't supremely fast like some but it's got all their other qualities in quantity, extension and control. The mids are incredible and their strongest suit in my opinion (think LCD-3 level mids or higher if you've heard those), the treble is pleasant and occasionally sparkly if need be whilst remaining inoffensive (again, think HD650s) as they're still darker tilted.
They're outright better than the HD800 and 800S to me in all accounts when it comes to sound, the signature appeals to me more than that of the Hifiman HE-X/HE-1000s (which are more ethereal and airy/dry), they have a better overall cohesive sound than the LCD-X/LCD-3, their mids and treble are far more to my liking than those of the Mr.Speakers Ether Flow (open and closed)... I'm sure I'm missing some 1.5-2.5k contenders here but I'm sure you get the gist.
This is all far as sound only goes though - of course the HEX/HEK and HD800/S are far more comfortable, as are the Mr.Speakers, but they're really not uncomfortable especially if you're already used to stuff like Audeze. They're heavy but it's properly distributed and they're really not a chore to wear.
PS: they ooze quality, obviously, as is apparent in any and all pictures as well as reviews (of which there are a few you can read out there). What you get is MUCH nicer than what the competition offers you if you care for packaging and materials.
It's pretty heavy first of which in and of itself is a big reason why these aren't very popular (the price tag being the even bigger reason, of course); these sound every bit like a TOTL pair of headphones though and if you're really wanting to fork out around 2 grand purely for sound then these would actually be my pick over the competition hovering that price point.
This may not be the best description ever for a pair of headphones, it most certainly is not, but they sound like they look. They have a very seductive/charming sound to them, they're quite intimate (as in smaller soundstage albeit great separation) and rich, think more LCD2C or original non-fazor'd 2s and HD650s rather than HD800. They're akin to other planars, their bass isn't supremely fast like some but it's got all their other qualities in quantity, extension and control. The mids are incredible and their strongest suit in my opinion (think LCD-3 level mids or higher if you've heard those), the treble is pleasant and occasionally sparkly if need be whilst remaining inoffensive (again, think HD650s) as they're still darker tilted.
They're outright better than the HD800 and 800S to me in all accounts when it comes to sound, the signature appeals to me more than that of the Hifiman HE-X/HE-1000s (which are more ethereal and airy/dry), they have a better overall cohesive sound than the LCD-X/LCD-3, their mids and treble are far more to my liking than those of the Mr.Speakers Ether Flow (open and closed)... I'm sure I'm missing some 1.5-2.5k contenders here but I'm sure you get the gist.
This is all far as sound only goes though - of course the HEX/HEK and HD800/S are far more comfortable, as are the Mr.Speakers, but they're really not uncomfortable especially if you're already used to stuff like Audeze. They're heavy but it's properly distributed and they're really not a chore to wear.
PS: they ooze quality, obviously, as is apparent in any and all pictures as well as reviews (of which there are a few you can read out there). What you get is MUCH nicer than what the competition offers you if you care for packaging and materials.
Secushel
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Mar 25, 2018
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VigrithI see. I never attended Canjam before. Maybe I will go to the CanJam SoCal this time. I am so surprised this model has been there for more than three years and I never noticed that. Maybe another reason is that I am mostly on Chinese forum and there is no advertising or promotion on Chinese market at all.
Vigrith
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Mar 25, 2018
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SecushelYea they were originally very popular in Europe (France and Italy, mainly, to be exact), they've been getting more and more exposure in the states though thanks to Cayin and other brands using them at their Canjam booths as said but there's still a ways to go. I can imagine they're very hard to come by in the Chinese community but hopefully someone over there realises how good Kennerton's headphones actually are and then it catches on!
I'm sure someone will have the new Tror at Socal too which are said to be amazing, there's no way you'll leave disappointed.
I'm sure someone will have the new Tror at Socal too which are said to be amazing, there's no way you'll leave disappointed.
Secushel
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Mar 25, 2018
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VigrithI think the reason is that they actually didn’t do much advertising and in Chinese community and don’t even have a dealer in China. Headphones around $2000 doesn’t sell much but on the other hand still have a lot of exposure. The most successful case recently I think is Focal Utopia and Elear. They were just new players in headphone market but due to high exposure and reviews they become super popular in a really short time in China.
I just found the reviews for Cayin’s new flagship amp ha300 and saw the kennerten odin within the list of high price headphones. Back to four years ago people were still using t1, hd800 and k812 but today they are replaced by Ether Flow, Susvara, final d8000 and utopia. Feel so sad for traditional dynamic drivers…
EvilKillaruna
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Mar 28, 2018
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JdjungIf you are talking about class, clarity, speed and holography - no. Odins can play at the level of L300. They are more about tonality: tone, timbre, weight and saturation of the sound, rather than technical aspects and sound perfection. I would say Odins are classical approach within planar magnetic sound house. Traditional dynamic drivers is a very different cup of tea than Odins, or at least my HD800 can say so.
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