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Komperdell Avalanche Snow Shovels

Komperdell Avalanche Snow Shovels

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Inspired by athletes’ spirit of adventure, Austria’s Komperdell has been making ski poles and other alpine gear since 1922. This is the company’s Avalanche line of snow shovels: great for making a snow kitchen or a snow shelter like an igloo or snow cave, or for keeping on hand as part of an avalanche safety kit Read More

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ClusterFlux
28
Jan 6, 2018
Selling this thing once again?! Massdrop, read all the comments: selling this as an "avalanche" shovel is negligent and can get some one killed if someone actually tries to use it as such. Hopefully the 2 people who have joined the drop this time have read the comments in the discussion...
DannyMilks
4557
Jan 10, 2018
ClusterFluxFYI - there are metal and lexan options for this drop, so I'm assuming that you're unopposed to the metal model? So, to your point about lexan (plastic) blades, here are my thoughts: . https://www.massdrop.com/buy/komperdell-avalanche-shovels/talk/1934037
Crampton
30
Dec 24, 2017
Good for clearing the fresh snow from the path to your house but not digging out avalanche victims. Please do not buy as such.
If your buddy turns up with one of these, swap! Or try and reverse over it in the car park.
Crampton
30
Dec 24, 2017
CramptonSorry my comment refers to the plastic blade.
beean
13
Mar 7, 2017
Don't market this as a safety tool. True avalanche shovels are required to be high strength as avalanche debris sets hard as ice. This sets a very dangerous precedent. The general public already has little to no avalanche awareness, as a trusted retailer of outdoor goods please don't try and take advantage of this.
Edit: I originally commented this when Massdrop first had this product on sale. It's pretty clear they don't care given that it's back on sale.
ClusterFlux
28
Jan 6, 2018
beeanAnd it's on sale yet again... They definitely don't care or read the discussions. I contacted customer "support" with a pretty strongly worded message. Selling these things as an "avalanche" shovel and passing it off as life safety equipment is completely negligent.
DannyMilks
4557
Jan 10, 2018
ClusterFlux@beean @ClusterFlux (and FYI @Motorrad @Hearst) Thanks for posting about this issue. Avalanche safety is obviously important, and getting the proper gear for going into avalanche territory is clearly vital. However, energy might be better directed at Komperdell for naming it an Avalanche shovel, as that is something we can't change, and you clearly disagree with.
That being said, like you pointed out, metal blades are generally recommended over lexan blades for actual avalanche safety. However, that doesn't mean that lexan blades don't have a place, and here are a few thoughts on that:
First, the technology has been improving and today's models are better than what was introduced into the market over the last 10-20 years.
Second, the manufacturer is an important aspect. Komperdell is not some random company making cheap knock-offs. They produce generally high quality, well designed gear. Yes, lexan shovels are usually more affordable than metal, but that can be explained by manufacturing process and not necessarily the quality.
Third, lexan does have advantages over metal. For example, when spring skiing where one's likely to see a slide avalanche and not a slab, one might be better of with a lexan shovel that wouldn't get stuck with wet, sticky snow.
Fourth, if people are generally poorly informed about avalanche safety, as repeatedly proclaimed here, then the debate of metal vs. lexan is moot. At least they have a shovel, which is one step better than people who head into the backcountry without one. There are likely far more important things to focus on to improve safety, that will have far greater impact, then trying to convince people that lexan blades are unfit.
Fifth, lexan shovels are generally more affordable, and following up on the point above, I'd prefer someone buy and carry a handy shovel rather than not buy one due to cost prohibitions. Consider that some people are going out on cross country skis or snowshoes and aren't themselves going into avalanche terrain, but they might be able to access if others get caught and help out.
I'm not opposed to us changing the text of our product description, but I do feel like your position on this is very hardlined, and rarely are their times when one can make a blanket statement like 'lexan blades should never be used for avalanche safety'. So while metal might be more recommended than lexan, I still find that there is sufficient reason to be able to describe these just as the manufacturer has - a snow shovel that has many uses, including potentially with avalanche safety.
I'm thrilled you're posting here and trying to do your part about education our community and staff, and I hope you'll continue posting and sharing. You clearly have a wealth of knowledge and a sense of concern. Thank you all.
fr0z3n
15
Mar 7, 2017
As others have mentioned it's straight up dangerous to call this an avalanche shovel. When you are digging someone out of an avalanche you are not shoveling fluffy powder but chopping though snow cement that was heated during the avy and then cooled quickly when stopping. You need to be able to smash and jam this thing into huge slabs of concrete. Also if you wear mittens don't get a shovel with this style handle you need a D style handle.
Shipping to Australia is surprisingly cheap.
m0arpheus
433
Mar 4, 2017
Let's face it: Few of us are experts on shovels or avalanche or backcountry shoveling. Those who have a little experience shoveling snow, though, will know that heavy loads of snow are going to more than likely snap that dinky looking blade.
tsturzl
157
Mar 5, 2017
m0arpheusHence the metal alloy option
ClusterFlux
28
Mar 4, 2017
I know this has been said here before, but this absoloutly shouldn't be sold as an "avalanche" shovel. Lexan shovels were a fad in the early 2000's for a year or two until people started to realise how easily they break in the cold. Lexan might work fine for building a snow fort with your kids in the back yard, or to keep in your car just in case, but when temperatures are really down plastic (even lexan) gets extremely brittle. This is the exactly the opposite of what you want when you're trying to save your friend's life after they've been buried in an avalanche. As a general rule, never cheap out on gear that you or a friend's life depends on. At 8$ more, the aluminium option is a no brainer. Personally, I never go into the back country without my BCA B-1 EXT shovel, is a great choice and they're only 50$.
DannyMilks
4557
Mar 3, 2017
Ok, I was able to take a few more pictures and weigh everything: Avalanche Expedition: shovel blade 12.5 oz handle 10.5 oz
Avalanche Alloy: shovel blade 15.2 oz handle 8.8 oz
Avalanche Carbon Fiber (Komperdell's other shovel pictured below, not offered in this drop, ) shovel blade 7.2 oz handle 7.9 oz
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rongon
50
Mar 2, 2017
Many professional guide services won't allow you to bring an avy shovel with any kind of plastic blade. They *require* a metal blade or they won't let you go with them. You might want to keep that in mind when choosing between the lexan or alloy shovel material.
rmeurant
99
Mar 2, 2017
Like herr ndrednek, I don't understand why the weights are not listed either - surely weight is on of the key characteristics that potential buyers want to know.
rmeurant
99
Mar 2, 2017
Thanks Danny.
SequoiaGhost
52
Mar 3, 2017
Weights please?
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@beean @ClusterFlux (and FYI @Motorrad @Hearst) Thanks for posting about this issue. Avalanche safety is obviously important, and getting the proper gear for going into avalanche territory is clearly vital. However, energy might be better directed at Komperdell for naming it an Avalanche shovel, as that is something we can't change, and you clearly disagree with. That being said, like you pointed out, metal blades are generally recommended over lexan blades for actual avalanche safety. However, that doesn't mean that lexan blades don't have a place, and here are a few thoughts on that: First, the technology has been improving and today's models are better than what was introduced into the market over the last 10-20 years. Second, the manufacturer is an important aspect. Komperdell is not some random company making cheap knock-offs. They produce generally high quality, well designed gear. Yes, lexan shovels are usually more affordable than metal, but that can be explained by manufacturing process and not necessarily the quality. Third, lexan does have advantages over metal. For example, when spring skiing where one's likely to see a slide avalanche and not a slab, one might be better of with a lexan shovel that wouldn't get stuck with wet, sticky snow. Fourth, if people are generally poorly informed about avalanche safety, as repeatedly proclaimed here, then the debate of metal vs. lexan is moot. At least they have a shovel, which is one step better than people who head into the backcountry without one. There are likely far more important things to focus on to improve safety, that will have far greater impact, then trying to convince people that lexan blades are unfit. Fifth, lexan shovels are generally more affordable, and following up on the point above, I'd prefer someone buy and carry a handy shovel rather than not buy one due to cost prohibitions. Consider that some people are going out on cross country skis or snowshoes and aren't themselves going into avalanche terrain, but they might be able to access if others get caught and help out. I'm not opposed to us changing the text of our product description, but I do feel like your position on this is very hardlined, and rarely are their times when one can make a blanket statement like 'lexan blades should never be used for avalanche safety'. So while metal might be more recommended than lexan, I still find that there is sufficient reason to be able to describe these just as the manufacturer has - a snow shovel that has many uses, including potentially with avalanche safety. I'm thrilled you're posting here and trying to do your part about education our community and staff, and I hope you'll continue posting and sharing. You clearly have a wealth of knowledge and a sense of concern. Thank you all.
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