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ZionHikes1
53
Sep 7, 2016
High quality, but huge for backpacking.
TimU
47
Nov 27, 2016
ZionHikes1Seriously, what? This is one of the smallest and lightest stoves on the market! Only 60gms.
https://adventuresinstoving.blogspot.com.au/2014/10/the-kovea-supalite-upright-canister-gas.html?m=1
DavidinKenai
48
Feb 9, 2017
TimUThe BRS-3000T is very similar but half the weight (25 grams) and 1/3 the cost ($11-$13). I keep a few around at all times. Religious proselytizers hand out Bibles - I hand out 0.9-ounce stoves to promote UL backpacking.
DavidinKenaiIsn't the BRS-3000T the self-annealing stove ?
aturlov
6
Jan 8, 2018
EverythingIsBetterOutdoorsWhat exactly is self-annealing there? it's made from metal alloys, mostly from titanium...
aturlov
6
Jan 8, 2018
DavidinKenaiAgree with @DavidinKenai . After I've got mine BRS-3000T I don't use anything else even though I have a number of other good backpacking stoves. I also have a couple of BRS-3000T and gifted a few as well.
aturlovAccording to the AIS review, and some comments placed as well, if used for more than a few minutes the supports can deform from heat. Ok, not quite annealing, but still ... not an entirely desirable situation. They are amazingly light though, I'm tempted to try one myself.
aturlov
6
Jan 8, 2018
EverythingIsBetterOutdoorsI've been using BRS-3000T for over two years now and average usage time per a single cooking session is about 7-8 minutes (two boils of 800 ml of water each). Seen no deforming whatsoever. The pot support legs are made from titanium and heat up to become of red color, that is true, but they stay solid. I have seen a number of counterfeit versions of BRS-3000T though and they might be made from different materials. Makes sure the stove is original when buying.
DavidinKenai
48
Jan 8, 2018
aturlovI think he is referring to Hikin' Jim's Adventures in Stoving Blog in which Jim found the pot supports can slowly deform if the the flame is on high for a long time (10-15 minutes). The pot supports are pretty thin and they are somewhat cross-wise to the flame (not on a radius) so they get heated by the flame more.
I've used my multiple BRS-3000Ts a fair bit in demanding situations - long run times for melting snow in large, heavy pots (I live in Alaska and we take the family snow camping). I haven't had any issues with pot supports deforming. And in the summer, I don't use full flame (because you get better fuel efficiency with a medium flame).
But, yeah, the BRS-3000T has small pot supports, so balancing large pots should be done carefully and you should find a very flat, stable site for the stove. If you run it on full flame, keep an eye on the pot level for any lean (you can bend the supports back, once they cool). It doesn't perform well in the wind, so like any open-burner design, some kind of windscreen will help your fuel usage and boil times. A Caldera Cone-style conical windscreen is probably best, but I usually just use a length of heavy-duty aluminum foil from the kitchen - a new one for each trip.
DavidinKenai
48
Jan 8, 2018
aturlovaturlov: I'm intrigued by the idea of counterfeit BRS-3000Ts. On the one hand, why counterfeit an $11 (retail) stove? A model that itself is a copy of the heavier $30 Fire Maple FMS-300T? As opposed to counterfeiting some $70 MSR offering? On the other hand, it would explain those BRS-3000Ts about two years ago with marginal threads (the ones that mate to the canister) and perhaps our different experiences (yours and mine) versus Jim's and Miguel's with the pot supports. Or maybe the manufacturer, in putting out a cheap little stove, has poor QA/QC and the machining and alloys vary somewhat from batch to batch?
Like any stove, tent or sleeping pad, (1) test it when you receive it and could still return it or get a refund through Amazon / eBay, and (2) retest it at the beginning of every season to remind yourself, in the light of day, how to set it up, that all the tent poles are there, it hasn't mildewed, you've packed the mini-Bic with it, etc. If I just grab a tent in the Spring (or tire chains in the Winter). without testing them first, I really can't count on it working for me 100%.
DavidinKenaiI suspect it's just bare-bones quality manufacturing with little to no QC really although it could be counterfeit, Amazon is full of identical products that differ only in the brand-name sticker on them (I'm looking at one right now in fact) .. so why not also crank out an 11 dollar stove, and realize you'll sell a lot more if you use someone else's brand name ? I guess in this sense it's not a "cheap knock off", it's "another cheap knock off". But it probably is just bad QC.
Great advice on testing out gear as soon as you get it, particularly if it's an online deal with a short return period. I'm actually pondering a -10 quilt, but by the time it arrives we won't be in single digits anymore and although I really, really want a -10 quilt I don't want to wait a year before I can test it :(
@aturlov yes, I was referring to Hikin Jim's experience with it deforming. I have to say, having the support at an angle like that does seem like awkward design. Either way, ultralight or night I just got two new stoves so I think I have to lay off the stoves for a while until I can put these through more paces. I don't want to be "that guy" who has a closet full of unused gear.